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#5272 From: Brian & Regina Girard <regina.brian@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:35 am
Subject: Re: Re: DBA @ F&S --Camp Jumbos
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I would think the Kama Sutra would be appropriate both for providing
inspiration for Indian textile designs and for developing a XXX-rated
camp (but where would you buy the figs?).
B

Paul wrote:
>
> > Get a copy of the Kama Sutra; great source for textile ideas.
>
> Thanks, Craig, but the Jumbos have already been painted and handed off
> to Terry.
>
> //Paul
>
>

#5271 From: Brian & Regina Girard <regina.brian@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:31 am
Subject: Re: Han Dynasty vs. Imperial Rome at F&S on 2 Dec.
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My Han army is coming along nicely and should be ready for our "what if"
night. I've got the (a) list chariot done, the (b) list cavalry general
done, all of the infantry done (7 stands), and some of the cavalry
started. The only thing I don't think I'll have done in time is the Han
camp (the figs haven't arrived in the mail yet). I'm trying not to get
distracted by the figs for my next project after the Han; I've got some
really nice Khurasan and Xyston Kushans/Bactrians lined up and ready to
go (actually, I couldn't resist starting on the Kushan jumbo). Although
I don't have the figs, I'm equally interested in the other match-ups you
listed, as well as a reprise of the Vikings v. NE American Woodland
Indians. I'd also like to do a Norse-Irish (using my modified list) v.
Anglo-Danish match-up if someone brings some Anglo-Danes (I've got the
Irish covered). That last match-up is a "what if" Brian Boru hadn't died
at Clontarf and had launched an expedition against England (he is said
to have raided England and to have considered larger-scale operations).
B

Paul wrote:
>
> Looking forward to next week's "What-If" theme-night.
>
> - Han vs. Rome
> - Alexander vs. Carthage
> - Ming vs. Incas??
> - and other semi-plausible pairings of your choice
>
> Brian, how's your Han Dynasty army coming along?
>
> My "a" version of the Han (Mikes Models) is now 6 elements, plus Camp
> Followers, done. Might get the 3x4Cb done this evening, leaving me
> time to lavish detail on the Heavy Chariot with Beach Umbrella over
> the weekend.
>
> //Paul
>
>

#5270 From: "TERRY GRINER" <TGRINER@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:42 am
Subject: RE: Re: DBA @ F&S --Camp Jumbos
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...Who is very grateful and will now need to pack his Indian army with him
just to be able to show off his elephant camp.



Terry in Spokane


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Subject: [Northwest_Ancients_Gamers_DBA] Re: DBA @ F&S --Camp Jumbos


Thanks, Craig, but the Jumbos have already been painted and handed off to
Terry.

//Paul



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#5269 From: "richard" <richardshagrin@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:20 am
Subject: Re: DBA @ F&S --Camp Jumbos
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--- In Northwest_Ancients_Gamers_DBA@yahoogroups.com, "Tibbetts, Craig A"
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> Get a copy of the Kama Sutra; great source for textile ideas.
>
>
Are you sure thats the main reason?

#5268 From: "Paul" <PAHannah@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:37 am
Subject: Han Dynasty vs. Imperial Rome at F&S on 2 Dec.
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Looking forward to next week's "What-If" theme-night.

- Han vs. Rome
- Alexander vs. Carthage
- Ming vs. Incas??
- and other semi-plausible pairings of your choice

Brian, how's your Han Dynasty army coming along?

My "a" version of the Han (Mikes Models) is now 6 elements, plus Camp Followers,
done.  Might get the 3x4Cb done this evening, leaving me time to lavish detail
on the Heavy Chariot with Beach Umbrella over the weekend.

//Paul

#5267 From: "Paul" <PAHannah@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:21 am
Subject: Re: DBA @ F&S --Camp Jumbos
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> Get a copy of the Kama Sutra; great source for textile ideas.

Thanks, Craig, but the Jumbos have already been painted and handed off to Terry.

//Paul

#5266 From: "Tibbetts, Craig A" <craig.a.tibbetts@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:33 pm
Subject: RE: Re: DBA @ F&S --Camp Jumbos
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Get a copy of the Kama Sutra; great source for textile ideas.

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Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 6:36 PM
To: Northwest_Ancients_Gamers_DBA@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Northwest_Ancients_Gamers_DBA] Re: DBA @ F&S --Camp Jumbos



> Hey, Paul - cool Jumbos! What did you use for the blankets? --Dave

The blankets are cast on as part of the elephants. I chose those models because
they didn't have any fittings for howdahs cast on to them. For ideas on how to
paint them, I chose a couple of designs from this source...

http://www.exoticindiaart.com/textiles/Fabrics/

...and attempted to capture the essence of those colors and patterns on the
Jumbos.

//Paul





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#5265 From: "DaveB" <banzai_beagle@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:35 am
Subject: Red Cliff
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Hey,

Is the new movie, RED CLIFF playing up in Seattle anywhere?  It's a must see
flick!
Dave

#5264 From: "Paul" <PAHannah@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:35 am
Subject: Re: DBA @ F&S --Camp Jumbos
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> Hey, Paul - cool Jumbos!  What did you use for the blankets?  --Dave

The blankets are cast on as part of the elephants.  I chose those models because
they didn't have any fittings for howdahs cast on to them.  For ideas on how to
paint them, I chose a couple of designs from this source...

http://www.exoticindiaart.com/textiles/Fabrics/

...and attempted to capture the essence of those colors and patterns on the
Jumbos.

//Paul

#5263 From: "DaveB" <banzai_beagle@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 1:33 am
Subject: Re: DBA @ F&S --Camp Jumbos
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Hey Paul - cool Jumbos!  What did you use for the blankets?
Dave

--- In Northwest_Ancients_Gamers_DBA@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <PAHannah@...>
wrote:
>
> > Well, I always prefer painted figures, but would accept either.
> > --Terry in Spokane
>
> Will these fit the bill for your camp, Terry?  (Links to pics below.)
>
> http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd69/Paul_A_Hannah/DSCF0087-1.jpg
>
> http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd69/Paul_A_Hannah/DSCF0089-1.jpg
>
> //Paul
>

#5262 From: Northwest_Ancients_Gamers_DBA@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:58 pm
Subject: DBA Game Night, 11/18/2009, 5:00 pm
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Theme for Wed. November 18th: “Armies of the Americas” – Aztecs, Incas, Mayans, Mound Builders, etc. As always, themes are suggestions only. 15mm armies and terrain provided or bring your own. Drop in anytime, 5-9pm. Chips & salsa provided.
 
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#5261 From: "xaosgods" <dwexler@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:42 pm
Subject: Free Figures!
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So, a while back I bought a nice-looking Italian Condotta army on eBay. 
Unfortunately, the people shipping it were a bunch of morons, and they just
chucked the whole thing in a tiny box with no protection at all.  Needless to
say, it was badly damaged in transit, some figures actually shear in half, paint
chipped, bent, etc.  I asked for and recieved a refund.
    Now it appears that, after looking at the figures, they have sent them *back*
to me since they don't want them anymore.  I'm not planning to do anything with
them, so I figured I would offer them here.  They're definitely not usable
as-is, but with some care they could probably be resurrected, or cut up to be
used as casualties, etc, for another project.  (I have no idea of their origins,
unfortunately.)
    The long and the short of it: if anyone would like a box of damaged Italian
Condotta figures, free of charge, drop me a line.  (Off-list is probably best.) 
There are roughly a full DBA army's worth, though I haven't counted them.

Django

#5259 From: chuckgame2@...
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:48 pm
Subject: Re: Re: [CCF_DBA] Building Cahokia.
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Antidiluvians want to know:  will this accommodate the Mound  Builder cult
for a HOTT version where the race is 8-12 feet in height  and can carry a
buffalo?

My online search of course hit on the mysteries of the Mound Builders which
  involved near cult-like devotion to the Nephilim-sized culture pre-dating
the  American Indians.



In a message dated 11/15/2009 2:54:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
banzai_beagle@... writes:





Hi, I know the week is rapidly closing in but there is one photo of  what
the structure atop Monks Mound at Cahokia might have looked like at
_http://www.nps.http://www.nhttp://www.npshttp://www._
(http://www.nps.gov/history/worldheritage/cahokia.htm)
and  an outstanding overview at
_http://www.nps.http://www.nhttp://www.npshttp://www._
(http://www.nps.gov/history/worldheritage/cahokia.htm)

I  visited the site a couple of times in the early 1990s and at that time
the  thinking was that an upper class of warrior/priests along the Aztec/Maya
model  had been overthrown by lower classes in a civil war. This thinking
was the  result of what appeared to be a wall built between the larger mounds
and the  main part of the city. Current thinking I believe is that a
gradual decline  occurred in the 1200s-1300s and that the site was abandoned by
1400. I think I  have a book on the site up in the attic, I'll bring it along
next time I am up  that way!

Dave

--- In _Northwest_Ancients_Northwest_ANorthwest_AnNor_
(mailto:Northwest_Ancients_Gamers_DBA@yahoogroups.com) ,  Don Ray <ray@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Paul,
> 1)You could  build Cahokia to cover the entire board! ; ) This
> would maximize the  fun of building the entire city and would be good
> for a scenario  game!
> 2) You could build a BUA/Camp- ie 2x2 base widths, say a Mound  6"
> high with a temple on top with a stockade around the base or  temple at
> the top- there is a great painting of this in a National  Geographic
> article,
> Best regards,
> Don
>
> On Nov 11, 2009, at 4:51 PM, Paul wrote:
>
> >  (Cross-posted from the NAGS site so as to get input from the
> >  creative minds and skilled hands of the CCF.)
> >
> > For  next week's NAGS "Armies of the Americas" DBA Game-Night theme,
> >  I'd like to have a proper Camp or BUA from my Mound Builder American
>  > army.
> >
> > I mean, what's a Mound Builder army  without a MOUND, eh?
> >
> > But should it be a Camp OR a  Boouh? And, how to model it? See link
> > below for ideas.
>  >
> > _http://www.texasbeyhttp://www.http://wwwhttp://www.tehttp://ww_
(http://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/tejas/fundamentals/miss.html)
>  >
> > Suggestions welcome. Remember, I have just a week to do  it.
> >
> > //Paul in Seattle
> >
>  >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text  portions of this message have been removed]
>







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#5258 From: "DaveB" <banzai_beagle@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:18 pm
Subject: Re: Critter Condos - Possible Swap?
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Have you checked the fishing tackle aisle at BiMart or Fred Meyer?  I use a
couple of sizes of Plano and Rapala - my fav is the Rapala RLUB-01 and the Plano
Model 3700.  Both are 14" x 9" x 2".  You can't get the old Plano 3700, but
check out the current version at http://www.planomolding.com/tackle/products.asp
Freddies had a stack of 3 Plano 3750s for like $10 a few months ago.
I also like Flambeau - they make some cool storage boxes that work well  and I
bought one of their soft side tackle boxes for air travel -
http://fishing.flambeauoutdoors.com/otdrs_fishing/soft_tackle/soft_tackle_system\
s_pg2.asp#tklstation

Cheers,

Dave
--- In Northwest_Ancients_Gamers_DBA@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <PAHannah@...>
wrote:
>
> As I continue, slowly, to paint new armies, I again outgrew my "Critter Condo"
capacity  --you know, those plastic storage cases, with the clear, plastic
drawers that I use to store about a dozen armies each.
>
> One used to be able to find the kind I like at Hope Depot, etc., but now
they're rarely seen.  Any I do find now have those soft, "cloudy", polypropelene
drawers, instead of the hard, clear, styrene drawers.
>
> I thought I found an ONLINE source for exactly what I wanted, and ordered
three, just $10 each!  Wrong.  All "cloudy" drawers.
>
> Maybe the "cloudy" drawers are a non-issue for others?  If so, I would gladly
trade you such two cases for just one with the clear drawers.
>
> Let me know if interested.  Or, see me at the next NAGS event if questions. 
Thanks.
>
> //Paul
>

#5257 From: "DaveB" <banzai_beagle@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:53 pm
Subject: Re: [CCF_DBA] Building Cahokia.
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Hi, I know the week is rapidly closing in but there is one photo of what the
structure atop Monks Mound at Cahokia might have looked like at 
http://www.nps.gov/history/worldheritage/cahokia.htm
and an outstanding overview at
http://www.nps.gov/history/worldheritage/cahokia.htm

I visited the site a couple of times in the early 1990s and at that time the
thinking was that an upper class of warrior/priests along the Aztec/Maya model
had been overthrown by lower classes in a civil war.  This thinking was the
result of what appeared to be a wall built between the larger mounds and the
main part of the city.  Current thinking I believe is that a gradual decline
occurred in the 1200s-1300s and that the site was abandoned by 1400.  I think I
have a book on the site up in the attic, I'll bring it along next time I am up
that way!

Dave


--- In Northwest_Ancients_Gamers_DBA@yahoogroups.com, Don Ray <ray@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Paul,
> 1)You could build Cahokia to cover the entire board!   ; )   This
> would maximize the fun of building  the entire city and would be good
> for a scenario game!
> 2) You could build a BUA/Camp- ie 2x2 base widths, say  a Mound 6"
> high with a temple on top with a stockade around the base or temple at
> the top- there is  a great painting of this in  a National Geographic
> article,
> Best regards,
> Don
>
> On Nov 11, 2009, at 4:51 PM, Paul wrote:
>
> > (Cross-posted from the NAGS site so as to get input from the
> > creative minds and skilled hands of the CCF.)
> >
> > For next week's NAGS "Armies of the Americas" DBA Game-Night theme,
> > I'd like to have a proper Camp or BUA from my Mound Builder American
> > army.
> >
> > I mean, what's a Mound Builder army without a MOUND, eh?
> >
> > But should it be a Camp OR a Boouh? And, how to model it? See link
> > below for ideas.
> >
> > http://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/tejas/fundamentals/miss.html
> >
> > Suggestions welcome. Remember, I have just a week to do it.
> >
> > //Paul in Seattle
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

#5256 From: Don Ray <ray@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:57 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Building Cahokia.
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Great start,Paul! I look forward to seeing the finished BUA and camp.
Don in Calgary

On Nov 13, 2009, at 2:44 PM, Paul wrote:

> > I think the best solution is to buy a Mounds Bar. Seal it, and >
> base it. Should do just fine. --Chuck
>
> Ah, a comedian, eh? Very funny...
>
> Here are my efforts so far on a Mound Builder BUA and Camp, Cahokia
> style.
>
> http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd69/Paul_A_Hannah/DSCF0035-2.jpg
>
> Pretty easy, really.
>
> //Paul
>
>
>



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#5255 From: "Paul" <PAHannah@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:44 pm
Subject: Re: Building Cahokia.
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> I think the best solution is to buy a Mounds Bar.  Seal it, and      > base
it.  Should do just fine.   --Chuck

Ah, a comedian, eh?  Very funny...

Here are my efforts so far on a Mound Builder BUA and Camp, Cahokia style.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd69/Paul_A_Hannah/DSCF0035-2.jpg

Pretty easy, really.

//Paul

#5254 From: Northwest_Ancients_Gamers_DBA@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:55 am
Subject: Just Say Cheese!, 11/14/2009, 2:00 am
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#5253 From: Don Ray <ray@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:59 pm
Subject: Re: [CCF_DBA] Building Cahokia.
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Hi Paul,
1)You could build Cahokia to cover the entire board!   ; )   This
would maximize the fun of building  the entire city and would be good
for a scenario game!
2) You could build a BUA/Camp- ie 2x2 base widths, say  a Mound 6"
high with a temple on top with a stockade around the base or temple at
the top- there is  a great painting of this in  a National Geographic
article,
Best regards,
Don

On Nov 11, 2009, at 4:51 PM, Paul wrote:

> (Cross-posted from the NAGS site so as to get input from the
> creative minds and skilled hands of the CCF.)
>
> For next week's NAGS "Armies of the Americas" DBA Game-Night theme,
> I'd like to have a proper Camp or BUA from my Mound Builder American
> army.
>
> I mean, what's a Mound Builder army without a MOUND, eh?
>
> But should it be a Camp OR a Boouh? And, how to model it? See link
> below for ideas.
>
> http://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/tejas/fundamentals/miss.html
>
> Suggestions welcome. Remember, I have just a week to do it.
>
> //Paul in Seattle
>
>
>
>



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#5252 From: chuckgame2@...
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:53 am
Subject: Re: Re: Building Cahokia.
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Paul,
I think the best solution is to buy a Mounds Bar.  Seal it, and base  it.
Should do just fine.


In a message dated 11/12/2009 1:19:57 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
fanmailaph@... writes:




Our understanding of Cahokia is still pretty imperfect.There is a curious
lack of direct oral history regarding it in the lore of modern first nation
peoples. A series of really devestating epidemics hit the Ohio valley in
the  14th and 15th Centuries, but Cahokia was abandoned at least 50 years
before  the first of these took place. Lesser echoes persisted in locations
across the  Southeast well into the European Age of Exploration,Our
understanding of Cahokia is still pretty imperfect.There is a curious  lack of
direct
oral history regarding it

I have a lot of trouble making any conclusions about  the pre-Columbian
occupation of Monk's mound as well, because it had Europeans  living on top of
it for several decades -- that's why we call it "Monk's  Mound." It was
steadily increased in height across the history of the city, as  if there was an
imperative to make it the highest point in Cahokia, even as  lesser
structures sometimes neared 60 feet in elevation. It was built in a  different
manner than most of the smaller mounds in Cahokia. Mounds were  constructed with
soil excavated from a relatively small area, which left a  deep depression
that frequently filled with water, and were sometimes stocked  with fish.
This suggests that the builders were expected, if not compelled, to  draw
materials from a small surface area. But there are no such pits or ponds  near
Monk's Mound, which suggests that project was allowed to bring materials
from multiple locations disperesed around the city. It is essentially the
difference between a private and public building project.

Anyway, a  shaped pinkboad model of Monk's mound would make a superb visual
shorthand for  the Cahokia as a BUA. There were several different buildings
on top of the  mound at different times, No evidence of gravel or any other
decorative  material or cladding have ever been found, but the Cahokians
must have done  enough to keep trees from growing out of the mound's slopes.
One other  potential detail: There was a creek/slough/Anyway, a  shaped
pinkboad model of Monk's mound would make a superb visual shorthand for  the
Cahokia as a BUA. There were several different buildings on top of the  mound at
different times, No evidence of gravel or any other decorative  material or
cladding have ever been found, but the Cahokians must have done  enough t

Its hard  to imagine what a Mound Builder camp would look like, except that
it would  probably be encircled by a log stockade, as found at several
smaller  Mississippian villages.

I'll bring my Mound Builder army too,and we  can have a civil war. Near its
end, the city saw several mass burials, Some  interpreas this as evidence
of mass human sacrifice. while others suggest that  something halfway between
war and a sporting event led to mass executions  similar to those
associated with ball games in MesoAmerican cities. One  possibility is that
different
factions or totemic clans got together on the  big ball fields near the
city center, lined up on opposite sides, and went at  one another in one
sustained melee. If this were so, the battle sould be  fought on open ground
with
mounds or other structures only on the fringes of  the board.

Andy Hooper
Bacteria Valley

--- In _Northwest_Ancients_Northwest_ANorthwest_AnNor_
(mailto:Northwest_Ancients_Gamers_DBA@yahoogroups.com) ,  Delicious Pear
<maialaia@..m> wrote:
>
> I suggest a  BUA of the main "Monk's Mound" if you want to be
historically accurate - since  only shamans were allowed regular access to the
mounds.
>
>  Facing south, it is 92 feet (28 m) high, 951 feet (290 m) long and 836
feet  (255 m) wide.
> Excavation on the top of Monks Mound has revealed  evidence of a large
building, likely a temple or the residence of the  paramount chief, that could
have been seen throughout the city. This building  was about 105Â feet (32Â
m) long and 48Â feet (15Â m)  wide, and could have been as much as 50Â feet
(15Â m) high. It was  about 5000 square feet.
> Â
> If you want to get crazy you  could have Woodhenge as your camp and
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> There are some good pictures of "what we think it looked like"  at the
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(http://www.nps.gov/history/worldheritage/cahokia.htm)
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>  BRIGHTGIRL PHOTOGRAPHY
> _http://www.brightgihttp://www.brighhttp:_
(http://www.brightgirl.net/portfolio.html)
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> --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Paul <PAHannah@..P> wrote:
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> From: Paul <PAHannah@..P>
> Subject:  [Northwest_Ancients Subject:  [Northwest_Ancie
> To: _Northwest_Ancients_Northwest_ANorthwest_AnNor_
(mailto:Northwest_Ancients_Gamers_DBA@yahoogroups.com)
>  Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 3:21 PM
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>
> For next week's "Armies of the Americas"  DBA Game-Night theme, I'd like
to have a proper Camp or BUA from my Mound  Builder American army.
>
> I mean, what's a Mound Builder army  without a MOUND, eh?
>
> But should it be a Camp OR a Boouh?  And, how to model it? See link below
for ideas.
>
> _http://www.texasbey_ (http://www.texasbey/)   ondhistory. net/tejas/
fundamentals/ miss.html
>
> Suggestions  welcome. Remember, I have just a week to do it.
>
>  //Paul
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#5251 From: "aphooper99" <fanmailaph@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:19 am
Subject: Re: Building Cahokia.
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Our understanding of Cahokia is still pretty imperfect.There is a curious lack
of direct oral history regarding it in the lore of modern first nation peoples.
A series of really devestating epidemics hit the Ohio valley in the 14th and
15th Centuries, but Cahokia was abandoned at least 50 years before the first of
these took place. Lesser echoes persisted in locations across the Southeast well
into the European Age of Exploration,but if these people had any knowledge of
their connections to Cahokia, it was not shared with European writers.

I have a lot of trouble making any conclusions about the pre-Columbian
occupation of Monk's mound as well, because it had Europeans living on top of it
for several decades -- that's why we call it "Monk's Mound." It was steadily
increased in height across the history of the city, as if there was an
imperative to make it the highest point in Cahokia, even as lesser structures
sometimes neared 60 feet in elevation. It was built in a different manner than
most of the smaller mounds in Cahokia. Mounds were constructed with soil
excavated from a relatively small area, which left a deep depression that
frequently filled with water, and were sometimes stocked with fish. This
suggests that the builders were expected, if not compelled, to draw materials
from a small surface area. But there are no such pits or ponds near Monk's
Mound, which suggests that project was allowed to bring materials from multiple
locations disperesed around the city. It is essentially the difference between a
private and public building project.

Anyway, a shaped pinkboad model of Monk's mound would make a superb visual
shorthand for the Cahokia as a BUA. There were several different buildings on
top of the mound at different times, No evidence of gravel or any other
decorative material or cladding have ever been found, but the Cahokians must
have done enough to keep trees from growing out of the mound's slopes. One other
potential detail: There was a creek/slough/canal running right along the back of
the big mound, maybe 200 yards away, through which a canoe would soon reach a
flat tributary of the Mississippi, and could be 20 miles downstream in a matter
of hours. Some sort of river or waterway would therefore be a good detail to
include, more appropriate than a traditional road.

Its hard to imagine what a Mound Builder camp would look like, except that it
would probably be encircled by a log stockade, as found at several smaller
Mississippian villages.

I'll bring my Mound Builder army too,and we can have a civil war. Near its end,
the city saw several mass burials, Some interpreas this as evidence of mass
human sacrifice. while others suggest that something halfway between war and a
sporting event led to mass executions similar to those associated with ball
games in MesoAmerican cities. One possibility is that different factions or
totemic clans got together on the big ball fields near the city center, lined up
on opposite sides, and went at one another in one sustained melee. If this were
so, the battle sould be fought on open ground with mounds or other structures
only on the fringes of the board.

Andy Hooper
Bacteria Valley

--- In Northwest_Ancients_Gamers_DBA@yahoogroups.com, Delicious Pear
<maialaia@...> wrote:
>
> I suggest a BUA of the main "Monk's Mound" if you want to be historically
accurate - since only shamans were allowed regular access to the mounds.
>
> Facing south, it is 92 feet (28 m) high, 951 feet (290 m) long and 836 feet
(255 m) wide.
> Excavation on the top of Monks Mound has revealed evidence of a large
building, likely a temple or the residence of the paramount chief, that could
have been seen throughout the city. This building was about 105 feet (32 m)
long and 48 feet (15 m) wide, and could have been as much as 50 feet (15 m)
high. It was about 5000 square feet.
>  
> If you want to get crazy you could have Woodhenge as your camp and Monk's
Mound as a BUA.
>  
> There are some good pictures of "what we think it looked like" at the National
Parks Site:http://www.nps.gov/history/worldheritage/cahokia.htm
>  
> ~Mali (representing for her ancestors)
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> BRIGHTGIRL PHOTOGRAPHY
> http://www.brightgirl.net/portfolio.html
>
> --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Paul <PAHannah@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Paul <PAHannah@...>
> Subject: [Northwest_Ancients_Gamers_DBA] Building Cahokia.
> To: Northwest_Ancients_Gamers_DBA@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 3:21 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> For next week's "Armies of the Americas" DBA Game-Night theme, I'd like to
have a proper Camp or BUA from my Mound Builder American army.
>
> I mean, what's a Mound Builder army without a MOUND, eh?
>
> But should it be a Camp OR a Boouh? And, how to model it? See link below for
ideas.
>
> http://www.texasbey ondhistory. net/tejas/ fundamentals/ miss.html
>
> Suggestions welcome. Remember, I have just a week to do it.
>
> //Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

#5250 From: Delicious Pear <maialaia@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:48 am
Subject: Re: Building Cahokia.
maialaia
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I suggest a BUA of the main "Monk's Mound" if you want to be historically
accurate - since only shamans were allowed regular access to the mounds.

Facing south, it is 92 feet (28 m) high, 951 feet (290 m) long and 836 feet (255
m) wide.
Excavation on the top of Monks Mound has revealed evidence of a large building,
likely a temple or the residence of the paramount chief, that could have been
seen throughout the city. This building was about 105 feet (32 m) long and
48 feet (15 m) wide, and could have been as much as 50 feet (15 m) high. It
was about 5000 square feet.
 
If you want to get crazy you could have Woodhenge as your camp and Monk's Mound
as a BUA.
 
There are some good pictures of "what we think it looked like" at the National
Parks Site:http://www.nps.gov/history/worldheritage/cahokia.htm
 
~Mali (representing for her ancestors)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
BRIGHTGIRL PHOTOGRAPHY
http://www.brightgirl.net/portfolio.html

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Paul <PAHannah@...> wrote:


From: Paul <PAHannah@...>
Subject: [Northwest_Ancients_Gamers_DBA] Building Cahokia.
To: Northwest_Ancients_Gamers_DBA@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 3:21 PM


 



For next week's "Armies of the Americas" DBA Game-Night theme, I'd like to have
a proper Camp or BUA from my Mound Builder American army.

I mean, what's a Mound Builder army without a MOUND, eh?

But should it be a Camp OR a Boouh? And, how to model it? See link below for
ideas.

http://www.texasbey ondhistory. net/tejas/ fundamentals/ miss.html

Suggestions welcome. Remember, I have just a week to do it.

//Paul








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#5249 From: "Paul" <PAHannah@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:21 pm
Subject: Building Cahokia.
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For next week's "Armies of the Americas" DBA Game-Night theme, I'd like to have
a proper Camp or BUA from my Mound Builder American army.

I mean, what's a Mound Builder army without a MOUND, eh?

But should it be a Camp OR a Boouh?  And, how to model it?  See link below for
ideas.

http://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/tejas/fundamentals/miss.html

Suggestions welcome.  Remember, I have just a week to do it.

//Paul

#5248 From: "Paul" <PAHannah@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:00 pm
Subject: Critter Condos - Possible Swap?
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As I continue, slowly, to paint new armies, I again outgrew my "Critter Condo"
capacity  --you know, those plastic storage cases, with the clear, plastic
drawers that I use to store about a dozen armies each.

One used to be able to find the kind I like at Hope Depot, etc., but now they're
rarely seen.  Any I do find now have those soft, "cloudy", polypropelene
drawers, instead of the hard, clear, styrene drawers.

I thought I found an ONLINE source for exactly what I wanted, and ordered three,
just $10 each!  Wrong.  All "cloudy" drawers.

Maybe the "cloudy" drawers are a non-issue for others?  If so, I would gladly
trade you such two cases for just one with the clear drawers.

Let me know if interested.  Or, see me at the next NAGS event if questions. 
Thanks.

//Paul

#5247 From: "Paul" <PAHannah@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:47 pm
Subject: Re: Busy, Busy, Busy!
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Thanks, Andy, as always, for all your stat-mongering.  Really appreciate it.

Old Pyrrhus has really bolstered his record lately, further solidifying his
status on the "Top Dogs" list  --another of the sub-lists gleaned from  Andy's
COMPENDIVM.

//Paul

#5246 From: Northwest_Ancients_Gamers_DBA@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:56 am
Subject: Just Say Cheese!, 11/14/2009, 2:00 am
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