To answer your question about "why" someone would play
3D chess verses 2D chess, I can only say that it's
fun...

From a personal perspective, I enjoy both traditional
2D chess as well as 3D chess as I find both games to
be very challenging.  Traditional 2D chess has a lot
of history and complex strategies, whereas, Millennium
3D Chess* offers a tremendous amount of chess piece
mobility which translates into an entirely new set of
chess strategies.

However, I will say that many traditional chess
"basics" such as "not-wondering-about" and
"control-of-squares" are equally applicable to both 2D
and 3D chess, so playing either game will strengthen
your skills for the other.

Enjoy the play (both 2D and 3D)!

Cheers,
Will


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--- polar_andromeda <polar_andromeda@...> wrote:
> I just started learning chess about 2 weeks ago and
> have found it to be an extremely fun game.  What
> would you tell a person like me to convince her
> that she should be playing 3d chess?  What is so
> intriguing about it, in your opinion?  Is it more
> fun that regular chess, and why?



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I just started learning chess about 2 weeks ago and have found it to
be an extremely fun game.  What would you tell a person like me to
convince her that she should be playing 3d chess?  What is so
intriguing about it, in your opinion?  Is it more fun that regular
chess, and why?

Hi Everyone,

Here is another recently completed Millennium 3D Chess* game between
William D'Agostino (White) and Benjamin Good (Black).  This game has
just been added to the Millennium 3D Chess* library in the "Files"
section for this email reflector.  BTW: The rematch has already
begun...

As a reminder, please remember to post your completed Millennium 3D
Chess* games here on this reflector...

Thanks!
Will


William D'Agostino v. Benjamin Good [1-0]
Millennium 3D Chess*
Started:   2002/08/04
Completed: 2002/09/05
*Trademark

1. B2b2   R2h7
2. R2a1   R2b7
3. N2d1   B2g7
4. Bx2g7  Rx2g7
5. R2h1   R2b8
6. N2c3   2c6
7. N1f3   B1e6
8. N1g5   B2f7
9. Nx2g7  R2g8
10.N1e7+  K2e7
11.N2e5   B2e6
12.R2a7+  K2d6
13.Ne1c5  N2b6
14.Rx3b7  Resign

for those of you interested, photos of my generic 3x8x8 chess set
appeared on chessvariants.com yesterday at:

http://www.chessvariants.com/d.photo/3d_photos.html

i was going to add that the page includes a photo of my board set up
for an actual game of millenium 3D between me and william a'gostino,
but i just discovered that he's already using the pic on the homepage
for this yahoo group (i obviously haven't been here in awhile).

the page includes 7 other pics (including one of yours truly) and a
brief discussion of the set and how it's assembled.

thanks,
ben

That was a truly GREAT game!

James Trimm



>As an aside, if you are a beginner to Millennium 3D Chess*, you may
>wish to review the game between D'Agostino (W) v. Trimm (B) which is
>located in the "Chess_Library" under the "Files" section, as this was
>a very exciting game with traps, pins, and forks as well as a final
>checkmate.
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Millennium_3D_Chess/files/Chess_Library/
>
>Game:  D'Agostino v. Trimm [1-0] 20011027

Here is a recently completed Millennium 3D Chess* game played between
Benjamin Good (White) and William D'Agostino (Black).  As you can see
from this game record, Black made the first blunder on Move 14 which
lost Black's Rook.  Seven moves later, White made a similar error on
Move 21 which lost White's Queen.  Because of the material imbalance,
White resigned three turns later.  A re-match is already underway!

Benjamin Good v. William D'Agostino [0-1]
Millennium 3D Chess*
Started:  2002/05/01
Completed: 2002/08/03
*Trademark

1. B2b2   B2b7
2. B3d3   R2a8
3. R3c1   N2d8
4. R2g1   N3f6
5. N1f3   B1d6
6. 3c4    3c5
7. Q3b3   3b6
8. R3g2   3g6
9. N1c3   N2f4
10.1g3    N3d4
11.Q3b2   N2b4
12.Q2b1   Q1b8
13.1b3    B1c6
14.B3c3   N2a2
15.Bx3h8  N2e6
16.Q2h7   N1c2+
17.K1f1   Nx3c1
18.Q3g8+  K2e7
19.Qx3h7  Q1h8
20.1h4    R2h8
21.B3b2   Rx3h7
22.Bx3c1  R3h1+
23.K1g2   Rx3c1
24.resign


As an aside, if you are a beginner to Millennium 3D Chess*, you may
wish to review the game between D'Agostino (W) v. Trimm (B) which is
located in the "Chess_Library" under the "Files" section, as this was
a very exciting game with traps, pins, and forks as well as a final
checkmate.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Millennium_3D_Chess/files/Chess_Library/

Game:  D'Agostino v. Trimm [1-0] 20011027

Finally, please remember to "post" your Millennium 3D Chess* games to
this email reflector...  And, I will place the game record into our
Chess Library.

Thanks!
Will
Moderator,
Millennium 3D Chess* Email Group

Hi Dale,

Welcome to the Millennium 3D Chess* email reflector!

In reply to your question concerning where to purchase
a 3D chess board, you can usually find used 3D chess
boards at www.ebay.com

However, please keep in mind that there are many
different types of 3D chess boards, and Millennium 3D
Chess* is played on a "traditional" 3 by 8 by 8
playing field (i.e., three standard 8 by 8 chess
boards stacked on top of each other).

Also, from time to time, some of the members of this
email list have offered both new and used 3x8x8 boards
for sale.  However, it has been several months since
the last offer.

Finally, you can use a spread sheet program like Excel
to keep track of your email Millennium 3D Chess* games
with real chess fonts...  You can download
instructions and freeware chess fonts from the "files"
section of the web page for this email reflector at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Millennium_3D_Chess/

I used this type of spreadsheet to keep track of my
email Millennium 3D Chess* games...

Enjoy the play!

Cheers!
Will

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--- dalesmyth2002 <dalesmyth2002@...> wrote:
> Does anyone know where I can buy a 3D chess board?
>
> Dale



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Dale

Hi Everyone,

I just wanted to say that our Millennium 3D Chess* YahooGroup
reflector has just hit 25 members...  Not bad, since this group is
only a year old!

Please remember to post your Millennium 3D Chess* games here on this
reflector as we are trying to build-up a library of games.  From the
several emails sent to me directly, I know that there are several
Millennium 3D Chess* games currently in progress.  Plus, it doesn't
matter if you are playing your game face-to-face (over the board) or
via email...  So, please send in your completed game results...

Also, if you want to play someone via email, then please post your
request to this email reflector, and I'm sure that someone will
respond to your request.

As a reminder, to "post" anything to this email reflector, simply
send your email to:  millennium_3d_chess@yahoogroups.com

Enjoy the play!

Will
Moderator,
Millinnium 3D Chess* YahooGroup


*Trademark

Hi, I'm just a member because I need Information and other items for
my Design and Technology project which is Millennium Chess and sience
you've all played it I thought it would be the best Idea.
I've had a look at D'Agostino webpage it's very good I admit.

Thanks.

Members of this list might also enjoy the 3-D Chess Group at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/3-d-chess

Millennium 3D Chess* Library

As a reminder, we are building a chess virtual library
of completed Millennium 3D Chess* games, and this
virtual library can be found in the "Files" section of
this email reflector's web page:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Millennium_3D_Chess/files/Chess_Library/

With this in mind, please post any recently completed
Millennium 3D Chess* games (whether played
'over-the-board' or by 'correspondence') to this email
reflector, and these games will be added to the
Millennium 3D Chess* virtual library.

For example, below is a recently completed email
correspondence game between D'Agostino (White) and
Good (Black).  This game will also be added to the
virtual chess library.


D'Agostino v. Good
Millennium 3D Chess*
*Trademark
Started:   2002/01/12
Completed: 2002/03/27

1. B2b2   N2g6
2. R2a1   N3c6
3. N2d1   B2b7
4. N1f3   Q1b6
5. 1b3    N2f4
6. 1e3    N2g2
7. Q2e2   R2g8
8. 2g3    Q2c6
9. R1g1   N3g4
10.R2c1   Q2d6
11.N2f5   Q1d6
12.1f4    0-0-0
13.B2e5   Q1a3
14.Q2b2   2d6
15.Qx1a3  dx2e5
16.Nx3f7  R1d8
17.Q1a7   B1c6
18.Q2a7   B1d6
19.R3b1   3b6
20.B1a6+  K3d7
21.Q2f7   Rg1g8
22.Rx1g8  Rx1g8
23.Qx1g8  N1c5
24.R3d1+  K2c6
25.R2c1+  K1b6
26.B1c4   ex1f4
27.ex1f4  1e5
28.Q1g6   B1c7
29.Qx3g4  ex1f4
30.Q3b4+  K1a5
31.1b4+   K2b6
32.bx1c5+ Kx1c5
33.R2c4+  K2d6
34.gx1f4  Bx1f4
35.N2f2   B1d6
36.Q3d4   1c7
37.Qx3g7  1h7
38.3h4    B1g3+
39.K1e2   Bx2f2
40.Kx2f2  1a5
41.Q2f6+  K3c6
42.Q2c6++ [1-0]






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Hi Everyone,

I just received an email from a 3D chess player named
"Mike", and he asked, "I have a question about the
[Millennium 3D Chess*] moves that a ROOK can perform.
In the PDF document it is stated and shown that the
ROOK from 1a1 may move to 2a2, 2b1, 3a3 and 3c1, why
are these moves permitted?  These moves seem to be
diagonal not along rank or file."

I replied to Mike's email directly, however, I thought
that it would also be appropriate to post my reply to
here...

In reference to the Rook movement in Millennium 3D
Chess*, actually, the Rook only moves along a rank or
a file.  The only difference is that a Rook is allowed
to change levels at the same time as moving along a
rank or a file.  Since a Rook is restricted in moving
in a straight line along a rank or file, then the
Millennium 3D Chess* Rook must also be restricted in
traveling along a straight line while changing levels.
  Using this clarification, a Rook is never allowed to
move on a diagonal.

There are other reasons why a Rook must be allowed to
change levels while moving along a rank or file.  The
first reason is to keep the Rook from becoming an
inferior piece to the Bishop.  In several 3D chess
games, a Bishop is significantly stronger than a Rook.
  For example, if a Rook was not allowed to change
levels at the same time as moving along a rank or
file, then the maximum number of squares which a Rook
could control (i.e., attack) in a 8 by 8 by 3 playing
field is 16 squares whereas a Bishop would clearly
have the upper hand as the Bishop could control a
maximum of 21 squares.  However, by allowing the Rook
to change
levels while moving along a rank or file, the Rook now
controls a maximum of 24 squares, and unlike a Bishop,
the Rook is not confined to squares of a single color.
  This returns the balance of power to the Rook,
whereas the Bishop continues to stay as a minor chess
piece.

Likewise, several other 3D chess games are
inconsistent
with their own rules.  For example, many of the
other variations allow a Bishop to change levels while
moving along a diagonal, yet they will not allow a
Rook to change levels while moving along a rank (or a
file).

Another common inconsistency concerns the Queen.  The
other reason why the Rook must be allowed to change
levels while moving along a rank or file, is that the
movement of a Queen is traditionally the combined
movements of a Rook plus a Bishop.  However, many 3D
chess games allow a Queen to change levels while
moving along a rank or a file, yet for some unknown
reason, the same game will prevent the Rook from doing
the same.  This means that the movement of the Queen
is not the combined movement of the Rook and Bishop,
but rather a combination of something else (which is
not defined).

For consistency, you'll notice that any chess piece in
Millennium 3D Chess* which is allowed to move along a
file is also allowed to change levels while advancing
(i.e., Pawn, Rook, Queen, King), and any chess piece
which is allow to move on a diagonal is also allowed
to change levels while moving along the diagonal
(i.e., Bishop, Queen, King).

I hope that this explantation helps.  I think that
you'll find Millennium 3D Chess* to be a very playable
chess game which follows the strategies and concepts
of traditional 2D chess.


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Below is a copy of a recently completed Millennium 3D Chess* Game.  A
copy of this game can also be found in the Game Archive Folder in
the "Files" section of:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Millennium_3D_Chess/

D'Agostino v. Trimm (1-0) 20011027
Millennium 3D Chess*
Started:  01 July 2001
Finished: 27 October 2001

1.  B2b2    Q2e7
2.  R2a1    R2b8
3.  N2d1    R2h7
4.  Q2e2    Q2f7
5.  B2a3    Q2c7
6.  B3h3    B2b7
7.  R2c1    Q2d7
8.  B2g4    Q1c7
9.  B1f5    B1c8
10. B2e4    R2c7
11. 1c3     3a5
12. Rx2c7   Qx2c7
13. R3h3    3b5
14. Rx3h7   3b4
15. B3b2    Q2e7
16. R3h8    Q2g7
17. R3h4    3g5
18. R3c4    R2c8
19. N1f3    N2b6
20. N1g5    Q2f7
21. 3a4     Q2b3
22. Q3e2    B3a6
23. Q3c2    Bx3c4
24. Qx2b3   Bx2b3
25. 2a5     N1b8
26. 2a6     N3a8
27. B2b7    R3b8
28. B3d4    N3b6
29. Bx3b6   cx3b6
30. 2a7     R3d8
31. 3e4     B3c2
32. 2f3     3d5
33. ex3d5   3e6
34. dx3e6   fx3e6
35. N1e6    B3b3
36. B3c6+   K2e7
37. N2c6+   K2d6
38. N1c8    Kx3c6
39. Nx3d8+  K2b7
40. 3a8=Q+  Kx3a8
41. N3f7    B3e7
42. N3d3    B3c2
43. Nd3e5   3a4
44. N3c6    B3c5
45. Nx3g5   N2g6
46. K2d2    3b3
47. N2a6+   K2b7
48. Nx3a4   2b2
49. N3b2    B1e4
50. fx1e4   N1e6
51. Nx3e6   N2c6
52. Nx3c5   bx3c5
53. K1c2    3b1
54. 2b2     3c4
55. 1d4     N1c4
56. K2b1    N3c3
57. Nx3c4   N2e3
58. Kx3b1   Nx1c3
59. bx1c3   K2b6
60. 2e5     K2b5
61. N3d6    K2c6
62. K2c2    K2d5
63. K2d3    K2e6
64. K2d4    K2f5
65. 2c4     K2e6
66. 2d5+    K2f5
67. 2c5     K2f4
68. 2c6     K2f5
69. 2c7     K2f4
70. 3c8=Q   K2f5
71. Q3f5+   K1g6
72. 2d6     K1g5
73. 2d7     K1g4
74. 3d8=Q   K1g5
75. Qd3g5+  K1g4
76. Qf2g5++ (1-0)

Yes we are having a most exciting game.  Its definitely a keeper for the
archives.

I also am willing to engage in additional games of:

Millennium Chess [TM]

"Star Trek" Tri-Dimensional Chess

or Raumschach.

Trimm

>Hi Everyone,
>
>Millennium 3D Chess* Rules Update
>
>I just uploaded a revised copy of my Millennium 3D
>Chess* Rules for a 8x8x3 playing field.  I added
>"Chess Fonts" to my illustrations and corrected a few
>typos.
>
>Anyone can download a free copy of this copyrighted
>document from either:
>
>http://www.geocities.com/william_dagostino/
>
>Or, from the "files" section of:
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Millennium_3D_Chess
>
>As many of you know, I'm currently in the middle of an
>excellent email chess match with James Trimm using the
>Millennium 3D Chess* variant, however, I'll gladly
>start another email game with anyone who is interested
>in this variant.
>
>Enjoy the play!
>
>Cheers,
>Will
>
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>
>
>
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NEW MESSIANIC TRANSLATION:
THE HEBRAIC ROOTS VERSION
http://www.nazarene.net/hrv

Hi Everyone,

Millennium 3D Chess* Rules Update

I just uploaded a revised copy of my Millennium 3D
Chess* Rules for a 8x8x3 playing field.  I added
"Chess Fonts" to my illustrations and corrected a few
typos.

Anyone can download a free copy of this copyrighted
document from either:

http://www.geocities.com/william_dagostino/

Or, from the "files" section of:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Millennium_3D_Chess

As many of you know, I'm currently in the middle of an
excellent email chess match with James Trimm using the
Millennium 3D Chess* variant, however, I'll gladly
start another email game with anyone who is interested
in this variant.

Enjoy the play!

Cheers,
Will

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All,

Myself and Eric Sandquist will soon begin building 8x8x3 sets made to
order.  The sets will be made with 3 8"x8" plexiglass plates and will
stand about 1 foot tall.  It will include all of the pieces you need
to play as well as rules for Millennium (tm) Chess.

We currently plan to sell these sets for $100.00 each.

If you would be interested in ordering one just email me:

jstrimm@...

James Trimm




NEW MESSIANIC TRANSLATION:
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All,

If you have a Website related to any version of 3D Chess, Chess
Variants, or even Chess in General, please consider adding a link to
the 3-D Chess Federation Website http://www.3dchessfederation.com

The 3D Chess Federation exists for the purpose of promoting and
supporting the play of all versions of 3D Chess.

Trimm

Announcing the:

International 3-D Chess Federation Website:
http://www.3dchessfederation.com

(Special thanks to Webmaster Eric Sandquist for a lot of hard work
getting it up.)

The purpose of the 3-D Chess federation is to support 3-D Chess play
in its various forms.

The 3-D Chess federation website features support pages for:

	 Tridimensional "Star Trek" 3-D Chess

	 Millennium (TM) 8x8x3 3-D Chess

	 Raumschach 5x5x5 3-D Chess

	 QuadLevel  4x8x4 3-D Chess

	 Exchequer  4x4x4 3-D Chess

The 3-D Chess Federation website includes:

	 Support services to match up players for email correspondence
games.

	 3-D Chess Discussion group

	 Links with info on 3-D Chess

	 Information about how to make your own 3D Chess Set.

	 Information on where you can buy a 3 D Chess Set.

	 Downloadable computer game versions of many 3D versions.

	 An online 3D Chess newsletter

Future additions to this site will include a 3D-Chess web-ring,
online IRC based chat, tournaments, live real-time online gaming,
online tournaments, player ranking, conventions, archives for online
games for review and study, and more.

Whatever is your favorite version of 3-D Chess you will find plenty
of helpful support at the 3-D Chess Federation Website.

James Trimm

For more information, or to submit ideas, please email us at
3dchess@...

Announcing Correspondence 3D Chess!!!!

Correspondence 3D Chess allows you to play games of 3D Chess via
email with other interested players all over the world.

All you need is an email address and a 3D playing field.

Games are conducted via algebraic notation.

Players are matched up with other interested players by a game
coordinator for each version of 3D Chess.  To get matched up with
other players just email the game coordinator for your version:

Tridimensional "Star Trek" 3D Chess:
st3d@...

Millennium Chess (8x8x3)
Millennium@...

Raumschach (5x5x5 playing field)
Raumschach@...

Exchequer Chess (4x4x4 playing field)
Exchequer@...

QuadLevel Chess (4x8x4 playing field)
QuadLevel@...

James Trimm

--- In 3-d-chess@y..., James Trimm <jstrimm@h...> wrote:
All,

Being that William D'Agostino and I are testing out the Millennium
Chess
Rules by playing the game I would like to make some comments on the
earlier
portion of our game without either of us tipping our hands about
anything
we are involved in currently.

In doing this I do not want anything I say to be mistaken as gloating
over
anything I did in the game and in fact I will praise things Will did
as
well.  The purpose will be to note the nature and stratagy of the
game and
therefore its playability.

I am posting this only after hgaving run it by Will and soliciting his
permission and any added comments.

>
>1.  B2b2  Q2e7
>2.  R2a1  R2b8
>3.  N2d1  R2h7

White opens with the D'Agostino opening.  The three moves immediately
develope all three of white's King's pieces into strong protected
positions
on level 2.

Black opens in a riskier manner by immediately dropping all three
heavy
pieces (both rooks and the queen) to level 2, thus grabbing control
of a
large segment of level 2.  The opening also has the unforeseen effect
of
potentially preventng White from developing the same three pieces in
the
same way on the king's side.

>4.  Q2e2  Q2f7
>5.  B2a3  Q2c7
>6.  B3h3  B2b7
>7.  R2c1  Q2d7
>8.  B2g4  Q1c7
>9.  B1f5  B1c8
>10. B2e4  R2c7
>11. 1c3   3a5
>12. Rx2c7 Qx2c7

In the next 8 moves we dance around each other and then in the 12th
move we
exchange rooks.

>13. R3h3  3b5
>14. Rx3h7 3b4
>15. B3b2  Q2e7
>16. R3h8  Q2g7
>17. R3h4  3g5
>18. R3c4  R2c8
>19. N1f3  N2b6
>20. N1g5  Q2f7
>21. 3a4   Q2b3

In move 21 Black creates a fork, threatening white's bishop and
white's
queen (as well as two unprotected pawns) at the same time.  Any good
player
knows that the best way out of a fork is to move one threatened piece
into
a position where it protects the other threatened piece (if you
can).  In
this case the predictable move for white is Q3e2 which LOOKS like the
best
move because it moves Whit'es queen out of jeapordy and into a
position to
protect the threatened bishop.  This is exactly what white does:

>22. Q3e2  B3a6

But in executing this move WHite only succeeds in falling into a trap
set
by black.  Whit has been luered into placing two heavy pices (a rook
and
its queen) in a single diagnol line together where they can easily be
pinned by black's bishop.  Black responds by moving a bishop up from
level
1 which now has White's rook pinned against the White Queen.  There
is now
no way to save White's rook, although WHite can force a trade of
Queens.

>23. Q3c2  Bx3c4

White moves its queen into a position that will allow white to force a
trade of queens if black takes white rook.  Black takes white rook.

>24. Qx2b3 Bx2b3

White presses a trade of queens.

(the real solution for white was back at move 22 where White's best
move
was actually to let the bishop be taken by white and to move its
queen out
of the area entirely.  The apparant "best move" only served to set up
White's rook to be pinned and taken.

The moral to this is that in general terms the basic stratgies of
Chess do
cary over in a more complex three dimensional form in Millennium
Chess in a
way that is proving itself to be very playable, challenging and
enjoyabale.


>25. 2a5   N1b8
>26. 2a6   N3a8
>27. B2b7  R3b8
>28. B3d4  ?
>
>Cheers,
>Will
>
>


William's added comments:

Hi James,

You have a very good ability to analyze chess.  From
my point of view, I simply made a blunder on move "21.
3a4" as I forgot that I needed to protect 2b3.  I
guess that is "the nature of the beast" when playing a
correspondence game...

But, the one thing I would add to your commentary is
that BOTH players are thoroughly ENJOYING the game.
After all, that is the real reason we're involved with
chess anyways!  Win, loose or draw, you are a very
good opponent, and this game has turned out to be
simply fun!  It has been some years since I have
played a 3D opponent who is as skilled as you are!
Enjoy the play!

Cheers,
Will

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Trimm:

I want to echo Will's thoughts here.  Will is a very worthy opponant
and
this is the most challenging game of 3-D Chess I have played in years
as
well.  It was by no means easy to wrest Will's rook away from him and
I
have no doubt that while I am slightly ahead at the moment that the
the
tide could change at a moments notice.  Will may easily be the victor
of
this game.  Nonetheless the game has been EJOYABLE, CHALLENGING and
MENATLLY STIMULATING.  It has been everything that 3-D Chess should
be.
There is no doubt in my mind that Millennium Chess is a very playable
and
enjoyable form of 3-D Chess.  I am definitely ready to trade in my old
Chess Cubed 8x8x3 rules for Millennium Chess 8x8x3 rules.

Trimm




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--- In 3-d-chess@y..., James Trimm <jstrimm@h...> wrote:

Millennium Chess is a version of Three Dimensional Chess developed by
WIlliam D'Agostino to play out on an 8x8x3 playing field.

SPACE CHESS

As far as I can determine the 8x8x3 playing field was first
introduced in
1969 by the Pacific Games Company for a 3-D version they called "Space
Chess".  This version had an 8x8x3 playing field supported by a wooden
central pole.  The game had 8 spaces on each level (the four center
spaces
and the four spaces immediately diagnal to them) marked with a star,
and
two spaces on each level (f1 and f8) marked with a king symbol.  Only
those
spaces could be used to change levels (only the King could use the
king
symbol to change levels) and level changes only involved moving the
man up
or down in addition to their traditional two-dimensional move.  The
game
actually claimed to be 4 dimensional because of the element of timing
in
playing it (ROFL).


CHESS CUBED

The only evidence of Chess Cubed that I have found is my own set
which my
parants bought me back in the 70's.  This set was supported by a
steel "3"
shaped frame.  The information I have is sketchy.  The instructions
have a
copyright of 1971 by Classic Games Company.  However the Game is
called
"Edition IV Chess Cubed" (it actually has "Chess" with a
subscript "3" but
in the directions we are told that it is pronounced "Chess Cubed".)
The
question remains if this was "Edition IV" then what were Edition I,
Edition
II and Edition III?  If Ediution IV instructions were copyrighted
1971 then
was Edition I around much earlier?  We may never know.  This was the
best
version of the game to date.  Chess Cubed did NOT have star spaces or
specially marked king spaces (in fact no other version after "Space
Chess"
did.)  Chess cubed actually extrapolated 3D versions of the 2D moves
of the
chess men.  (For some reason my instructions have typewritten style
date of
1975 written in the bottom margin of one of the instruction pages and
my
set would have likley been purchesd between 1975 and 1977.


CHESS IN THE THIRD DIMENSION

Also in 1971 (I do not know if it was before or after Chess Cubed was
released) Skor Mor came out with Chess in the Third Dimension.  In its
initial release it seems that this game used a similar wooden central
pole
design as space chess, but later used an all translucet/transparent
design
with a "3" shaped frame.  Chess in the Third Dimension had poor rules
which
did nor extrapol;ate 3d moves for the pieces.  Instead level changes
simply
involded changing levels without extapolated 3D versions of the 2D
moves.

STRATO CHESS

In 1978 the John Hansen Company produced Strato Chess.   This design
was
similar to that of Chess Cubed except that it used a steel "S" frame
rather
thn a steel "3" frame.  The rules are ambiguous and poorly written
but seem
to indicate movement like that in Chess Cubed.


MILLENNIUM CHESS

In 2001 William D'Agostino who had owned a Chess in the Third
Dimension set
developed a set of rules similar to the Chess Cubed Rules (although
he had
been unaware of Chess Cubed or STrato Chess rules) for playing 3D
Chess on
an 8x8x3 playing field.  The Millennium rules differ from Chess Cubed
Rules
in that they require a pawn to reach the 8th rank of the opponants
level
rather than just any level in order to be promoted.  Also Millennium
Chess
adds a sloping move to the Rook, Queen, pawn and King.   After a 23
year
limbo the 8x8x3 playingfield was reborn and in June of 2001
D'Agustino and
Trimm began an online email game of Millennium Chess using 8x8x3 sets
that
they had each had for over 20 years.

If you are interested in aquiring an 8x8x3 board you can contact me at
jstrimm@h...

Trimm








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Excel Spreadsheet for 3D Correspondence Games

Attached is a simple Excel 97 spreadsheet which I find
usefully for playing 3D correspondence games.  Instead
of keeping a full-size 3D chess board set-up, I simply
update the spreadsheet for tracking the game position.

There is nothing magical about the format as it can be
modified as needed to fit your individual preferences.

I will also post a copy in the "files" section too.




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Hi James,

I know that your a strong 3D advocate, and I'm
interested in learning your opinion of the
"Millennium" 8x8x3 variant?

I have never played the Star Trek version (probably
due to a lack of boards)...  So, I'm probably the
wrong guy for a meaningful Star Trek game...

However, if you're interested, I would like to
challenge you to an email game of the Millennium
variant.

Cheers!
Will

--- James Trimm <jstrimm@...> wrote:
> Greetings, I have enjoyed playing 8x8x3 3-D Chess
> since the '70's
>
> I am most interested in online games of both 8x8x3
> and Star Trek 3-D Chess.
>
> Trimm
>
>
>
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>
>
>


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Greetings, I have enjoyed playing 8x8x3 3-D Chess since the '70's

I am most interested in online games of both 8x8x3 and Star Trek 3-D Chess.

Trimm



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You are invited to join the 3-D-Chess list at

http://www.egroups.com/group/3-d-chess

This is a broad based list for all kinds of 3-D Chess variants
including 8x8x3, "Star Trek 3-D Chess", 5x5x5 ("Space Chess" etc.

Trimm

8x8x3 Chess Variant

Hi.   My name is William D'Agostino, and I first began
to play 3D chess in 1977 when a received a 8x8x3 chess
board made by "Skor-Mor" as a gift.  I was immediately
intrigued by 3D chess.   Unfortunately, the "Chess in
the Third Dimension" rules that were included with the
Skor-Mor board were incomplete and required mandatory
level-changing moves.  Even though I enjoyed the
challenge of playing this particular variant, it was
very difficult to find opponents who agreed with these
"odd" playing rules.  For reference, a copy of the
8x8x3 Skor-Mor rules can be downloaded from:

http://www.jtelmore.com/3dchess.html

During the next several years, I searched for a "more"
playable version of a 8x8x3 chess game, but my search
was not successful, especially since this was well
before the widespread availability to the internet.
So, I decided to write a set of 8x8x3 chess rules with
the objective of extending the traditional 2D chess
game into a multilevel environment without distorting
the basic game.  To the end, this new 8x8x3 variant
did not "create" new pieces or chess rules.  Other
that the concept of moving between chess boards, all
traditional 2D chess rules were applied.

This variant was developed completely independently of
the 8x8x3 "Chess3/Chess Cube" variant.  At first
glance, these two variants seem similar, however,
there are major differences.  As an example, in both
traditional 2D chess and this 8x8x3 variant, the Queen
has the same movement as the Bishop combined with the
Rook, however, the "Chess3/Chess Cube" variant does
not follow this guideline.  Likewise, I attempted to
prepare a "complete" set of 8x8x3 rules which includes
"Castling", "En Passant" and "Promotion" rules,
whereas many 3D variants lack good definition of these
special rules.

At the request of a 2D email chess colleague, I
updated my old 8x8x3 chess rules, added a new name to
this chess variant, and set-up a web site where this
3D chess variant rules can be downloaded.

With this in mind, I am soliciting the comments and
suggestions from the members of this 3D Chess
reflector to review the rules to this 8x8x3 variant.
A copy of this 8x8x3 variant (in a PDF format) can be
downloaded from:

http://www.geocities.com/william_dagostino/

Or, you can download a copy from a yahoogroups
reflector called:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/millennium_3d_chess

If you have any problems in downloading these rules,
then please contact me directly, and I'll email a copy
to you.  Likewise, please post your comments to either
yahoogroups reflector, or you can email your comments
about this 8x8x3 variant to me at:

william_dagostino@...

Finally, if anyone is interested in playing an email
chess game using this 8x8x3 variant, then please
contact me.

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Hi Dave,

With 500 years of traditional chess completely waisted
on 3D chess, I am unaware of any 3D software, but that
doesn't mean it doesn't exist somewhere in a land far,
far away...  If I was retired, I would probable
attempt to write a 3D program, but that sounds like
too much work presently...

Just think, some 500 years from now, people may be
talking about the Tomlinson Opening or the D'Agostino
Defense...  With that in mind, would you like to play
White?

Yes, I concur with the "sane" verses "insane"
comment...  For example, in traditional 2D chess,
there are only 20 possible opening White moves, with
only 400 potential positions after Black's first move.
  With 3D chess, there are 102 possible White opening
moves with only 10,816 possible positions after
Black's first move...  Yes, sane verse insane...  At
least you can throw away all of your old chess books,
as you'll be writing the new chapters with each
move...

I'm going to track the game via an excel worksheets,
so technically, that could be considered "chess"
software...

Cheers!
Will

PS.  All is well over here!  How's your family?

--- DaveJTomlinson84@... wrote:
> Will, I recieved your e-mail concerning 3D chess and
> have scanned the rules which seem to make perfect
> sense.  I'm sure the game in practice is much more
> difficult than meets the eye.  I'm equally unsure as
> to whether or not two sane people should attempt to
> play such a game - and if they did, would they
> still be sane when they were done.
>
> At any rate I guess we could have a go at it (first
> checking our collective sanity at the proverbial
> door ). Is there by any chance any 3D chess
> software available?
>
> Regards to one and all
> Dave



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