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Rules Digest 06/27/03   Message List  
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Announcements and Clarifications
1. Protection vs. Craystallise.
2. Starfire vs. Any.
3. Ambushing Cliff Hyrens with Vogos.
4. Burrowed Attack removal.
5. Celphet reflections.
6. Arctic freeze.
7. Effects and simultaneous triggers.
8. Invulnerability explanation.
9. Maelstrom Flask and Discordia.
10. Forgotten Songs vs. Haunt.
11. Spirits and defeat effects.
12. Once per turn.

ANNOUNCEMENTS AND CLARIFICATIONS

None at this time.

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1. Shadow Cloak's protection power reads : (2) Each of your Core
creatures currently in play is not affected by non-Core Spells and
Powers until the end of your next turn. You may not use Shadow Cloak
on your next turn.

If I have creatures in play with (for example) a Crystallise attached
to it, what happens when I activate the Protection power of the
Shadow Cloak? Does:

1) Crystallise get negated for that one turn
2) Crystallise gets discarded
3) Something else?

RT - None of the options are correct; nothing happens to the Crystallise, but
Protection allows the creature to ignore the effects of the spell until the
end of the player's next turn.
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2. I was wanting to know if the effect Starfire would effect the
starting cards that are revealed only or all starting cards as with
the magi that state thier starting hand are two of somthing like
Qullia and Scyalla for example.

RT - All card effects that mention Starting Cards, such as the Effect
Starfire or the spell Redream, will only affect named cards printed on the Magi,
or
cards with "Starting: Magi" printed on the cards. They will never affect chosen
starting cards such as "any one spell."
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3. OK, I have a vogo and a Rock Hyren in play.

Vogo has interrupt which allows me to switch the receipients of
spells directed at me. Rock Hyren says that my spells, powers and
effects cannot prevent Rock Hyren from losing energy.

If my opponent plays ambush (or any other spell that discards
energy), can I use vogo's interrupt to switch the target of ambush to
my vogo (or one of my other creatures) instead?

RT - Yes; Vogo's effect Interrupt activates "whenever an opposing Spell or
Power CHOOSES only one of your other Creatures in play," which is well before
the Spell or Power resolves, and therefore well before any energy loss is
allocated.
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4. I have a question, If one of my creatures is burrowed, and I have a
card that says "Burrowed creatures can attack normally", when I
attack, do I take energy off the defending creature equal to my
energy and take 2 energy off me, or do I take off 2 energy from both
creature?

RT - A burrowed Creature, when in an attack, will remove energy equal to it's
current energy, and will lose no more than two energy from the opposing
Creature (possibly less if the burrowed Creature has already lost energy that
turn
from opposing cards).
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5. Say in this instance that one of my creatures takes more than the others -
perhaps there are two sunburns on it, or somehow cald spells remove twice as
much energy from it for some reason. When a Sunglare Celphet is discarded in
response to mass removal, can the Celphet's controller choose the creature of
theirs that is taking the most damage to be the one mirrored by the Celphet?

RT - Yes, you may choose any one of your Creatures to Reflect energy removal
from.
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6. My son and I just started playing using D'resh and Nar decks.
The game so far is entertaining, but neither of us can find out
exactly what "frozen" refers to. I've read the rulebook numerous
times and cannot find what this term means. As a lot of Nar effects
are for "frozen" cards, we think we're missing something important.
Please help, and thanks in advance!

RT - "Frozen" is a status that is inflicted by certain Nar cards such as
Essence of Frost, Yaromant, and Zyavu. These cards generally have the "Arctic"
descriptor in their title under their name, and often freeze all of one category
of card (such as All Creatures). While a card is frozen, all Powers on that
card cost one additional energy to use. If a Magi is frozen, in addition to
their Powers costing one more, Spells cost the frozen Magi one additional energy
to play. The effects of being Frozen are always listed in the un-named
Effect on the card which inflicts the Frozen status. See <A
HREF="http://www.magi-nation.com/duel/Cardlists/images/VOTS/essenceoffrost_rr_vs\
.jpg
">
http://www.magi-nation.com/duel/Cardlists/images/VOTS/essenceoffrost_rr_vs.jpg</\
A> for an example of an
Arctic card.
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7. Scenario:

Player A:
Yark (5 Energy)

Player B:
Speag (4 Energy, That's 2 above starting)
Rehyla-Magi

A. Player A's Yark attacks Player B's Speag.

Now, Speag has both Watch & Weave (Which, for the sake of arguement,
I want to put an extra energy ON him).

Rehyla has the ability Counter-Weave.

Yark has the ability Diving Attack.

In what order do all of this abilities take place, how much energy
does each creature have when the actual fight starts, and who wins?

RT - First, you check to see if all the effects have the same trigger. If
they do, then the active player chooses and resolves ALL of their Effects.
Finally, other players, in play order, choose and resolve all of their Effects.

In this case, everything triggers when Speag is attacked. The Yark's Diving
Attack is the only Effect that the active player has, so it goes first,
reducing Speag to two energy. Then, the defending player chooses what order to
resolve Counterweave, Watch, and Weave. Assuming Weave is not used, the Speag
will
end up gaining two from Watch and one from Counterweave (bringing it to five),
and the Yark will lose one from Counterweave (lowering it to four). The
Speag will lose four energy, leaving it at one energy, and the Yark will lose
five
energy and be discarded.
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8. I've been confused with the way invulnerability works for a long
time. Can someone tell me what happens if a 5 energy creature with
invulnerability attacks a 6 energy creature with no invulnerability
and what happens when a 5 energy creature is attacked by a 6 energy
creature with no invulnerability.

RT - It's just like a normal attack, except that you subtract the
Invulnerability (usually Loses One Less Energy) from the amount of energy the
Invulnerable Creature loses. If a 5e creature with Invulnerability of 1 attacks
a normal
5e creature, both will try to remove 5e, but the Invulnerable Creature will
only end up losing 4e (5 inflicted, minus the one from Invulnerability),
surviving with 1e, while the normal Creature will lose the full 5e and be
discarded.
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9. Maelstrom Flask says that I play a spell for half cost, rounded up.
My three questions are:

A) Is the regional penalty calculated into the spell's cost? If so,
is it added in before or after the 50% discount?

RT - Yes, the regional penalty is calculated into the spell's cost. It is
added in before the cost is halved.

B) If the spell allows me to pay extra for extra effects (Tidal
Wave, Resonate), is this cost added in before or after the discount?

RT- In both cases, the extra energy is paid AFTER the spell is successfully
played.

C) Can I play Core spells with the flask? What about spells that
say they can be played only by magi of a certain region?

RT - Only if your Magi could already legally play those cards without
assistance.

Second, there is a Bograth Magi, can't remember the name...when an
opponent plays a creature that is not of his magi's region, the
Bograth Magi's effect forces the opponent to discard one of his other
creatures from play. My question is, if a creature has two different
regions, and one of them is the same as the Magi's region, then is
the creature considered to be of the Magi's region? For instance, if
my opponent is Paradwyn and he plays a Mydra, does the Mydra's
allegiance of "Bograth/Paradwyn" trigger the effect?

RT - The Magi is named Eryss, and the effect is Discordia. Discordia will
not trigger unless the Creature shares NO regions with the Magi, so if Ninx
(Paradwyn/Weave Magi) plays a Mydra (Bograth/Paradwyn Creature), it is treated
as
a Paradwyn Creature played by a Paradwyn Magi in this case.

Finally, I'm wondering about powers that create ongoing effects. Are
the effects of these powers affected by cards that cancel, alter or
are triggered by effects? In other words, are they considered to
be "effects" themselves?

RT - An ongoing effect is simply a card effect that can persist beyond the
life of the card; cards that were created to undo ongoing effects were
originally intended as "magic bullets" predominately for Rayje's Belt,
pre-errata, when
discarding the Belt would not end the effects of Lockdown. An 'ongoing
effect' is generally unrelated to Effects, though that doesn't rule out the
possibility of an Effect creating an ongoing effect (such as a triggered Effect
that
requires you to do something at the beginning of a turn, then finishes
resolving at the end of the turn based on whether you performed the required
action or
not when it triggered, even if the card is discarded in the meantime).
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10. In this order of play, in a 3 player game: Andy (Nar), Tony (d'Resh) and
Sean
(Core.)

Sean has played Haunt on a Sand Hyren. Andy plays Shockwave to discard the
Hyren. Tony wants to play Forgotten Songs to save his hyren; will the Haunt
trigger first?


RT - The Haunt states "When that Creature is discarded, play it INSTEAD," and
the Forgotten Songs is played "when one of your Creatures is being discarded
from play by another card. Put the Creature into your hand instead of the
discard pile." Haunt affects the creature AS it is discarded, and therefore
occurs before Forgotten Songs, which merely changes where the card goes AFTER it
is
discarded; the Haunt wins, and Forgotten Songs cannot be played.
---

11. Player A is playing Adis. But during Player B's turn Adis is
defeated. Here's the tricky part:

Player B would like to use the unnamed effect on Abraxim's Crown to
protect himself from Adis' Haunt Effect. But Player A wants to play a
Spirit of Arderial.

How is the timing here? Can Player A play the Spirit, or is it
discarded because of the Crown?

RT - The Spirit is discarded because of the Crown. All defeat effects on a
Magi (along with any effects they trigger) will resolve before a regional Spirit
card is playable (with the notable exception of Spirit of Rayje, which is
played to prevent Magi defeat).

If Player A could play the Spirit, could Player B use the Crown or would it
be returned to the deck because of the Spirit? Can the Crown prevent the
Spirit? It does not literrally discards the cards.

RT - The Spirit of Arderial shuffles cards into the deck, it does not cause
any discards from the opponent. The Crown would be reshuffled.
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12. The Rules Team can explain the Effects with "Once per turn, ...".

My doubt is: If I have a Grakaden, I can choose the Spell that I may
cancel or I need choose only the first Spell?
If my oponent play a Fireball in my Magi, I choose don't use the
Grakaden, after in the same turn my oponent plays a Shockwave in my
Grakaden, can I use Grakaden to cancel the Shockwave?

RT - Yes; Since the Effect Grounding says "may", you may choose to activate
the effect on any Spell that you wish (assuming you aren't trying to cancel a
Spell that can't be canceled).
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Announcements and Clarifications 1. Protection vs. Craystallise. 2. Starfire vs. Any. 3. Ambushing Cliff Hyrens with Vogos. 4. Burrowed Attack removal. 5....
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lawofsteel
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Jun 28, 2003
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1) Shadow Cloak's protection power reads : (2) Each of your Core creatures currently in play is not affected by non-Core Spells and Powers until the end of...
shen_dugan
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Jun 30, 2003
1:50 pm

Well you could actually try reading the card shadow cloak... Just a suggestion instead of bombarding the Rules team with questions that are the essentially the...
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FatBishop
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Jun 30, 2003
2:17 pm

Correct if I'm wrong, but you're not a RT member FatBishop. As such stay out of this request for a clarification. If you are a member of the RT FatBishop, then...
shen_dugan
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Jul 2, 2003
3:03 pm

RT meant exactly what it said, Shen. You really need to settle down and take a deep breath. NOTHING happens to the crystallize. Shadow Cloak changes and...
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Jul 9, 2003
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The only person I was annoyed at was FatBishop who as I understand it isn't a RT member thus a person who shouldn't respond to my request for a clarification....
shen_dugan
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Jul 10, 2003
3:30 am

Okay, then, we'll just say it's a miswording so that everyone can drop it; the answer is still the same, and perhaps the question's responses didn't align ...
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lawofsteel
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Jul 2, 2003
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Now that the issue concerning the Shadow Cloak is settled, I have a rules question I've needed to ask for a few weeks now. If this question has been...
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