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RT = Rules Team

ANNOUNCEMENTS AND CLARIFICATIONS
1. Starting Cards
2. Pet Projects
3. Costs of Frozen
4. Umm...Yes?
5. Frozen Again
6. Emlob Clarification Clarification
7. Yaki, Ogar and Niffer
8. More Deck Construction Clarification
9. Magam's Ring and Rock Silth
10. Haunt VS Crushing Darkness
11. Vrak keeps Vrak company.
12. Group of Qs on the new regions.
13. Sunglares and Crushing.
14. More Darbok stickiness.
15. Dual-region and rings.
16. Undertow mechanics.
17. Couple of questions...
18. No peace with Tranquility.
NON-LEGAL LIMITED CARDS

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ANNOUNCEMENTS AND CLARIFICATIONS

Scyalla
Power - Pet Project: Once per game, choose any non-Hyren Creature type. Until
the end of the game, you may play Creatures of that type as if they were
Weave, and all Creatures of the chosen type that you play are Weave Creatures
instead of their original region.

Lesser Darbok
Effect - Tangle: If Lesser Darbok is defeated while defending, attach Lesser
Darbok to the attacking Creature. While Lesser Darbok is attached, it cannot
be involved in an attack, other cards cannot affect it, and it cannot be
discarded from play for having zero energy. The Creature it is attached to
cannot
attack.
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1. ok if i have yaki core stalker like magi and i have yaki gautlets
do i get yaki gauntlets like satrting card for yaki core stalker

RT - Yes, any card that says Starting "This Magi", are available to
all versions of that Magi.

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2. Okay, there has been much discussion about how Scyalla is
different than Entomb and Cleansing such that her Pet Project Power
only changes cards that YOU play versus cards that an opponent plays.
My question is how is the word "play" interpreted in this instance?

RT - "Play" is when you are taking a card from an out of play area (generally
deck, discard pile, and hand) and putting it into the playing area. Very rare
exceptions (such as Haunt) allow cards to be removed from play but be played
again immediately without them "stopping over" in an out of play area. By
Scyalla's current wording, she cannot play Creatures of the appropriate type she
would be forbidden to play normally because of regional restrictions because of
a minor loophole in the timing structure of Pet Project's region-changing.
Therefore:

Scyalla
Power - Pet Project: Once per game, choose any non-Hyren Creature type. Until
the end of the game, you may play Creatures of that type as if they were
Weave, and all Creatures of the chosen type that you play are Weave Creatures
instead of their original region.

Under the printed wording, if you named "Jile" and tried to play a Chaos
Jile, it would not be possible because Pet Project does not make the Creature
Weave until after the "Play Creature" process has begun, and though the card
will
be legal to play at some point during the process, it was not a valid choice
to initiate the "Play Creature" process (this is similar to why you cannot
Corrupt your own Magi then play a non-Core Creature; though the Creature will
become Core as soon as it enters play, you could not legally choose to play the
Creature to begin with if your Magi was Core).

Does it describe the act of actually playing a card or does it mean
the cards that the cards in only your deck are changed?

RT - The cards in your deck are not changed. Nor are they changed in
your hand. The cards become Weave as they are being brought into
play and remain so while they are in play.

This may seem like splitting hairs, but this definition can affect
the way some other cards. The first card that comes to mind is
Marella. Can you grab a "Pet Projected" card as her "One Weave
Creature" Starting card?

RT - No. The card type chosen is only Weave as you are playing it.
Retrieving Starting Cards does not count as "playing" a card.

How is Chasm Jile affected?

RT - Chasm Jile, like all dual-region Creatures of the type named, will
become a single-region Weave Creature when played.

Can you play a "Pet Projected" Creature from your hand when Chasm
Jile is attacked?

RT - Due to the clarification on Pet Project, yes.

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3. The effects of some Nar cards that causes cards to be frozen
says "Powers on frozen cards cost one additional energy to use". Do I
have to pay 1 to use a Power that does not have an energy cost?

RT - Yes, cards that have no numbered cost have a cost of zero. Zero
plus one = one.

What if the Power does not have an energy cost, but something like
discarding another card to use the Power, is that consider a cost,
and then the one additional energy would apply?

RT - If there is no numbered cost, the Power is considered to cost zero
energy. See previous answer.

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4. I was reading the MRP last night and I have a question
regarding "Ummm... No!". I thought it would just save a creature from
spells like Shockwave, Undertow but it seems it is not the case... I
would like to be sure and check if it can be used against Cald
spells. What about the loss of energy? What is my opponent plays a
Syphon Vortex on my creature and I cast Ummm... No! Will it negate
the move of energy?

RT - The energy loss brings the Creature down to zero energy and the Syphon
Vortex discards the Creature from play. Umm..No may be played, but the
Creature would still be discarded by the rules of having no energy. The only
difference in the end result is that the source of the discard would be
changed.

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5. My Zungg is frozen, and at 1 energy. I know if I use Gnaw, the
Zungg will die. Will the 1 energy still be removed from the opposing
Creature, or will Gnaw fizzle, since the Zungg isn't in play any
longer to move it to?

RT - The energy will be lost from the opposing Creature, but it will have no
destination to end up at. Otherwise, the Power proceeds normally.
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6. Ex: You have 2 bograth creatures in play and with
Emlob's 'Imaginary friends', you'll count to have 5 bograth creatures
in play. If one of the 2 you have in play is a glablit, would the
imaginary creatures be core also?

RT - No.

Despite the new MRP'ed wording on Emlob, the imaginary creatures that
are added to the total be also core since the glablit states "All
your bograth creatures in play are also core" and Emlob
states "Whenever one of your Spells, Powers, or Effects counts the
number of Creatures or Bograth Creatures you have in play, increase
the total by three". Since they are added to the total, that means
that they count and they should also be core, yes?

RT - No. Bograth Creatures that do not exists cannot also be Core Creatures.
Emlob only adds to the Bograth total.

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7. If I play with Yaki Core Stalker first, then Sorrowing Ogar
second, and Niffer last, can Niffer choose to be Core, or is the
choice of choosing Core removed with the previous two magi?

RT - Yes. The deck must only be legal when it is built for both Yaki and
Ogar's restriction.

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8. Ashio's "Weave Twist" says that all cards which specifically
reference Core instead reference their own region.
Sorrowing Ogar's text says that she "may not be played in a deck with
any Core magi."
If I have Sorrowing Ogar in play, and the opponent reveals
Ashio,Ogar's text is changed to "may not be played in a deck with any
Underneath magi." Since Ogar is an Underneath magi, does the opponent
lose, or is Ogar defeated? If not, then is the opponent now cheating
if any other magi in his/her stack is an Underneath magi? What is the
timing of Ogar's text?

RT - Ogar's text only counts towards deck construction. If the deck is legal
before the game starts, violating the text on Ogar or Yaki does not cause
anything to happen.

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9. You have a Rock Silth and Magam's Ring in play during your
opponent's turn. Your opponent attempts to Shockwave your Rock Silth.
Can you do the following? First, due to the wording of Hide, you
move up to Rock Silth's Starting Energy to your Magi. Second, since
the Rock Silth is still being discarded, you then use Magam's Ring to
restore the Rock Silth back up to its Starting Energy.

RT - Yes, you may legally do that.

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10. Am I right in assuming this? In a multiplayer game player A has
their creature Haunted by player B's Haunt spell. Then player C
Crushes player A's creature with Crushing Darkness. Player C gains
control of the creature and it gets restored to half it's starting
energy rounded up. Then Player B gets control of the creature and it
is restored to full energy.
Or is the converse true? Player B gets control of the creature first
and restores it to full. Then player C gets a creature at full
energy.

RT - The Haunt Spell will send the Creature into play under Player B's
control instead of to the discard pile; because Crushing Darkness did not
discard
the Creature (Haunt prevented the Creature from being discarded, technically),
its secondary effect does not trigger.

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11. Hi, recently my friend and I were playing a game where he had two
Vraks in play and one other 3 energy creature. I killed the 3 energy
creature, leaving the two Vraks. My question is, are both Vraks
discarded because of its effect? It states that if Vrak is the only
Nar creature in play then its discarded. Technically, since there are
2 Vraks in play, it IS the only Nar creature in play, so are they
discarded?

RT - By stating Vrak, it is self referential. In other words, two Vraks are
two separate Nar Creatures, and neither will be discarded from the Effect. If
multiple Vraks were to all be discarded, the Effect would have to read "If
Vrak is your only non-Vrak Nar Creature in play, discard it."

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12. If Sand Strands is used to make an Olum Digger Illusionary, will OD's
Tunnel
still allow the OD to attack the magi?

RT - No; the inability to attack Magi is a specific mechanical restriction,
while the Tunnel effect is more generalized; just as a Burrowed Creature does
not gain the ability to attack if it already lacked it when chosen by the Spell
Tunnel, the Digger's Tunnel Effect does not beat the Illusionary restriction.


Can Horizon's Mirage be attached to a creature with Mohani's Imbue Spell?
(Horizon's Mirage is discarded to make it work.)

RT - RT - Yes, because Imbue-ing a Spell does not require you to play it.
Note that the first time you use the Power, the Spell card will be removed from
the Creature it was Imbued onto, and you will no longer be able to use it as an
Imbued Power.

Does Laranel's Cold Shoulder protect her Creatures against Powers and/or
Spells that choose more than 1 Creature? How about something that chooses
Laranel and one of her Creatures?

RT - As long as there is a choice involved, her Effect will interfere.

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13. I have a Sunglare Celphet out in play

Effect - Reflect: As an opposing Spell or Power removes energy from
one of your Creatures, you may discard Sunglare Celphet from play to
choose a Creature or Magi. Discard an equal amount of energy from the
chosen card.

My opponent plays a Crushing spell on it.
Can I discard the Celphet to choose my opponent's magi and make him
lose 4 energy. Does this also prevent the secondary effects of the
Crushing spell.
If I have 3 Celphets out can I use all of their effects, to choose 2
of his creatures and his magi, or any combination thereof.

RT - Yes, you may; at the time the Effect is triggered, the energy has not
yet been removed, only assigned to be removed. This would also prevent the
Crushing Spell's secondary effect from happening, because the Spell did not
discard
the Creature. You may also choose any combination of valid targets in play.

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14. I play a Haunt on my opponent's Lesser Darbok. I then attack with one
of my creatures that has more energy than Lesser Darbok.

What takes precedence, the Haunt or Lessor Darbok's effect that
attaches it to the attacking creature based on the rule of order of
effects?

RT - Both resolve normally; being the active player, your Haunt resolves and
you play the Darbok, then the Darbok is attached to the Creature that defeated
it (defeat effects do not require the Creature to reach the discard pile,
only that it be reduced to zero energy), and all other stipulations for Tangle
apply, meaning your Creature cannot attack as long as the Darbok is attached,
and the Darbok cannot be affected by other cards or be discarded from play for
having zero energy. (The opponent can still erase this protection by removing
the attached Creature from play.) Also, to put this to rest before it can get
out of hand, a touch-up to the recent Lesser Darbok clarification:

Lesser Darbok
Effect - Tangle: If Lesser Darbok is defeated while defending, attach Lesser
Darbok to the attacking Creature. While Lesser Darbok is attached, it cannot
be involved in an attack, other cards cannot affect it, and it cannot be
discarded from play for having zero energy. The Creature it is attached to
cannot
attack.

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15. If barak's ring is out will a Brushfire stop it's effect from going
off?

RT - No; Purity does not require tha the Spells be Cald-only, just that they
be Cald at all.

If Orlons ring is in play would it cause the player to discard his
dual Orothe/REGION from play? such as hurricane orish, and iceberg
hyren?

RT - No; a card in play has to be completely non-Orothe to be discarded;
dual-region cards will make the cut.

One more question.

Can a Sunglare Celphet reflect mass damage spells like Wildfire and
Flamegeyser, the question comes from the words when energy is removed
from 'one' of your creatures, as opposed to if the word -Only- was
used.

RT - You may mirror the removal from the mass removal, but only to and from a
single source, i.e., if a Flame Geyser were played and affected three of your
Creatures and your Magi, you could only choose the removal from one of your
cards (3E) and apply it to an opposing card.

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16. When you use Undertow, after the energy has been removed from the
targeted creature, does the Creature technically hit the discard pile
first and then is it placed into the opponent's deck?

RT - Yes.

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17. Next, can Arderian-Wings be used on your creatures when they are
using a power, for example Xyx Minor's Gathering Clouds, and reduce
the power by two, so you pay nothing for it, or is it just on
opponent's spells and powers?

RT - No; paying energy for a cost is not removal.

Finally, does Speag's effect, Watch, kick in even when it gets
attacked, or only when your other creatures get attacked?

RT - Yes, it will receive two energy even when it's attacked.

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18. Can anything bypass Tranquility's protection?

RT - Yes; Tranquility is a reduction effect, meaning that, for instance,
Rayje's Sword can Pierce it. This is because Tranquility does not affect energy
loss until after it has been assigned, then changes the amount to be discarded
to zero. Prevention, on the other hand, does not even allow energy loss to be
assigned (the Effect - Resistance is a common example). Tranquility states that
cards that "all Spells, Powers, and Effects that discard energy instead
discard no energy", so the loss is still assigned in the form of removal, then
is
reduced to zero before it becomes actual energy discard.

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NON-LEGAL LIMITED CARDS

The following list of cards is provided as a reference to cite
current, non-legal promotional cards, and their expected legal date:

Power of the Creators: No date currently planned.
Tony at a Con: No date currently planned.
Dan (including alternate artwork): No date currently planned.
Ludi: No date currently planned.

















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