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RT = Rules Team

ANNOUNCEMENTS AND CLARIFICATIONS
1. Ashio & Forgotten Dancer
2. Drig & Sandstone Hyren
3. Dewstone
4. Uwamar
5. Fun with Bagala Fangs
6. Bagala Fangs, Slime Stone and Quido Swarm
7. Torpar
8. Drahkar
9. Slime Stone, Koll's Dreamtwist and Vopok
10. Losing no energy in attacks
11. Cawh, Shell, Barqua's Bubble
12. Sand Hyren and Drajan
13. Will of Orothe
14. Tar Hyren
15. Fird Stone & Will of Orothe
16. Shattershards & Evu's Jellybeans
17. Stacking Grass Etiki
18. Giant Parmalag & Gum-Gum
19. Agrillas Parmalags and Korrits, Oh my!
20. Remembering Magi
21. Vitalize
22. Discard an Oracle
23. K'ygn Defeated
24. To Thump or Not To Thump
25. Setting Energy
26. Pet Project
27. Shadow Magi
28. Storm vs Crown
29. Berries vs Band
30. Flame Control and Deep Wellisk
31. Discarding a Rock Hyren
NON-LEGAL LIMITED CARDS

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ANNOUNCEMENTS AND CLARIFICATIONS

Deep Wellisk
Effect: Deep Wellisk may not be discarded from play by opposing cards while
it has energy. Your cards cannot increase Deep Wellisk's energy total.

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1. Q. Will Ashio replace "Core Creature" for "Universal Creature" at
the ForgottenDancer Universal Relic?

RT: Yes

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2. Q. Drig's Leech Power affects all of an opponent's creatures.
Would Sandstone Hyren's Monolith Effect activate?

RT: No. Monolith isn't activated because Sandstone Hyren is not
chosen.

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3. Q. Does Dewstone's Power work if it's played on the same turn that
Creatures have been discarded?

RT: Yes, it does.

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4. Q. Does Uwamar's Watch Effect activate on itself entering play?

RT - No, for two reasons: One, Watch says "whenever you play
any OTHER Weave creature". Two, Effects on creatures do not work
until they are in play, unless they are self-referential (such as
most Dreamwarp effects).

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5. Q. so, when cards like bagala fangs say 'change a creature's
starting energy to10, or 1, does that mean the energy actually on the
card? or does it mean thenumber printed on the card? for instance,
you have a bagala hunter in play, andit's taken a hit and is at 4
energy. you activate the bagala fangs and. . .what? does the hunter
have 10 energy or 4 energy? depending on which is true,can you bring
a creature's starting energy down to one and then use a yark oryark
gloves on them? in other words, what energy changes, the printed
energy,or the actually energy on the card?

RT: The Powers on Bagala Fangs and Slime Stone only change
the "effective" number on the card. They do not affect the actual
amount of energy on the card, nor the literal printed value.

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6. Q. When Bagala Fangs or a Slime Stone is used to set a Quido
Swarm's starting energy to 1, what happens next turn, when the Quido
Swarm is restored to it's starting energy? Does "Calling"
override "Downs" (or "Shriveled Dreams")?

RT: "Downs" (or "Shriveled Dreams") sets Quido Swarm's starting
energy to one, when the power is used. However "Calling", continually
sets the Swarms energy to be equal to the number of Bograth and
Paradwyn creatures in play. Calling has precedence.

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7. Q. This is a question about wording versus intent. Torpar gets an
additionalenergy when all of your creatures gain energy. In our
tournament this weekendit was brought to my attention that Torpar
doesn't say "all at once." This isan extremely literal reading of the
text, but would it still gain an additionalenergy if the energy gain
occurs during the same turn, but at different times?

RT: Torpar will only gain an additional energy if a card adds energy
to every one of your creatures, all at once.

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8. Q. Also a question about Drakhar. Does its Dominate trigger when
the Drahkar is undreamed or only when he leaves play and goes into
the discard?

RT: Cards are considered discarded if their immediate destination is
the discard pile. Undream-ed cards go to the hand, not the discard.
Drahkar's Dominate only triggers when it is discarded (either while
it has energy, or by being reduced to zero energy).

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9. Q. Well, Koll's Dream Twist doesn't says anything about Printed
Starting energy. I have see someone who use Slime Stone on a
creatures in order to get a 9 energy creature with it.
Ex. A Vopok is played. It came with 10 energy. Slime Stone is used to
set it to 10 Starting energy in order to play a Sandstone Hyren from
the deck.

My questions is: It's this legal? Since Dream Twist says to discard
the creature first, then Vopok will me back to starting 4 since cards
doesn't have memory when are discard, right

RT: Your opponent is correct; while cards do lose their memory of such
effects when they leave play, at the time the Power is used, the Vopok does
have a starting energy of ten, because those values are checked and 'locked
in' during activation; otherwise, effects that are dependent on the amount of
energy a Creature has that must discard the Creature in order to use it would
do nothing, as by the time the resolution began, the Creature would have no
energy because of being removed from play.

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10. Q. If a Creature loses no energy in attacks (such as a Creature
Shielded by Shard of the Great Fossil) does it still lose energy from
Effects that would normally affect them (such as Crystal Lascinth's
Spines or Rehlya's Counterweave)?

RT: A Creature that loses no energy in attacks, will lose no energy
from Rehlya's Counterweave, or Crystal Lascinth's Spines. This is
different from loses no energy "from" attacks.

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11. Q. We need a ruling on Barqua's bubble, shell, and Cawh. Would a
Barqua's Bubble be able to protect a Cawh from a spell such as
Dessicate, or Sandswirl? (Since they discard energy) And since Cawh's
effect changes a Shockwave's direct discard to energy loss, could a
bubble or shell then protect the Cawh from them?

RT: -Barqua's Bubble cannot protect Cawh from Dessicate. Cawh's first Effect
states "...other cards cannot prevent Cawh
from losing energy."
-Sandswirl does not discard energy, it merely increases the energy
discarded in attacks, so yes, Bubble could stop Sandswirl from
affecting Cawh.
-Barqua's Bubble can protect Cawh from Shockwave because you may
choose to resolve the Bubble before Cawh's protective Effect.
-If Cawh is losing the six energy to prevent a discard Effect, he is
losing the energy from its own Effect, not from an opposing card.

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12. Q. Does the Sand Hyren affect itself the first time it is played
with the Magi Drajan?

RT: No; see Question 4.

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13. Q. Here is my question:In the most recent RD, it was stated that
Will of Orothe cannot be staffed as it affects the player and the
Magi. But, as per the errata attaching WoO toa Magi is the first
step, does this not make it Staffable?

RT: Once again, The correct Errata on Will of Orothe is:
Will of Orothe
Orothe Spell
6
Attach Will of Orothe to an opposing Magi. While Will of Orothe is
attached, that Magi's Creatures may not use Powers. During that
Magi's Attack step, you choose whether or not that Magi's Creatures
attack and what they attack. A Creature may not attack another
Creature or Magi controlled by the same player. Discard Will of
Orothe at the beginning of your next turn.

Attaching a card to a Magi does not inherently affect the Magi. Will of
Orothe does not affect the Magi, because it does not in any way alter the
game state of the Magi; it instead affects the Magi's player, the Magi is
needed so that the Will has a 'point of reference' to see which player it's
supposed to affect, but it's never directly interacted with by the Spell. It
also affects the Magi's Creatures, "That magi's creature's may not use
powers." Will of Orothe is not 'staff-able'.

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14. Q. Just wondering how this works lets say I've got a creature
with 1 energy and my magi has 1 energy also but my creature has a tar
hyren on it (it's effect is that at the beginning of my turn before I
energize my magi and my creature lose 1 energy each) do I get to go
to my next magi this turn or not becuse my magi dies before I
energize? or do I energize before it takes the energy?

RT: At the beginning or your turn, your Creature and your Magi would
lose one energy. Your Magi would be defeated. You would not get to
flip your next Magi. All events (game rules, Magi flipping, or
Effects) trigger at the same time. In this case at the beginning of
your turn. Then the Active player processes their Effects and game
events in the order they choose. In this case, the Active player has
none. Then the inactive player processes their Effects in the order
they choose. In this case the Effect on the attached Tar Hyren. Since
you have already passed the point at which you can reveal new Magi,
you do not get to.

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15. Q. Can the Fird Stone be use against the Will of Orothe? In the
lastdigest you guys says that it affect the creatures. So can a Furok
beprevent from attack next turn? or even more all creatures since
thefird stone says that the spell do noting?Also Fird Stone says
whenever, which is a bit odd with the "wheneverrule". Whenever is
suppost to be after spell power etc. is resolved.So if the spell,
power etc. is already resolve the what's the point onusing Fird Stone
since it already happend?On the other hand if the Fird Stone were
made with "as' word it mightbe too strong.

RT: Yes, Fird Stone can protect all of your Furoks (not all of your
Creatures) from Will of Orothe.

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16. Q. If shattershards discards a relic with an x in the cost,
should itassume that x == 0?This came up in a recent game when I
played shattershards on a Naroommagi with Evu's Jellybeans(the only
relic with an x cost currently, Ibelieve) in play. My opponent had
originally placed two counters onthe relic, but only had one left. If
x =/= 0, then what would x havebeen considered at the time
shattershards was played?(My guess is two,since x =/= jellybeans....)
Oh, =/= is does not equal, btw.

RT: In all cases where x is not specified, x = zero.

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17. Q. It has been brought to my attention that the Grass Etiki
effect Dreamwarper does not stack if there are multiple copies of
Grass Etiki in play. I've been looking through the previous Digests
trying to find this, but I've been unable to. If you could direct to
the right digest or explain why this doesn't stack and yet Ergars do
I'd appreciate it.

RT: Multiple Grass Etikis will add multiple Dreamwarps to your Weave
Creatures and multiple copies of Weave to your Paradwyn Creatures. Three
Grass Etikis in play will allow you to Dreamwarp for up to three Energy,
and allow you to use the Weave Effect for up to a three Energy shift.

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18. Q. Giant Parmalag:
Power-Withdraw: 3 Giant Parmalag cannot be attacked until after your
next turn.
Gum-Gum:Effect-Slide: When Gum-Gum is attacked, you may switch it
with any other Creature you control before energy is removed.
If there is a Gum-Gum and a Giant Parmalag in play on one side and
the Giant Parmalag uses it Withdraw power, and an opponent attacks
the Gum-Gum, what would happen if Gum-Gum tried to use it Slide
Effect onto the Giant Parmalag? Would the attack be cancelled? Would
the attack successfully hit the Giant Parmalag? Or would the Gum-Gum
remain the target of the attack?

RT: No Slide can happen. If a Creature cannot be attacked, then it cannot be
designated as the defender during an attack; the Gum-Gum cannot Slide to a
Withdrawn Giant Parmalag. This is an official reversal to previous rulings on
the matter.

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19. Q. Kybar's Teeth and Underneath make for a strong combination, it
has been said. That got me thinking about how some of their cards
work together. Agrilla and Parmalag came to mind. If the Agrilla uses
Fear on the Parmalag, that's a double strike with no energy loss,
barring Rayje's Sword. Then I thought about Agrilla and one of
Parmalag's best friends, Korrit. The Korrit can choose to Pack Hunt
instead of attack. But what if the Agrilla let the Korrit have a
second attack? Would that mean the Korrit would be allowed to Pack
Hunt twice if it chose to?

RT: Yes, if Korrit is chosen for Agrilla's fear, it can Pack Hunt
twice. Korrit's Pack Hunt can be substituted for its normal attack,
So if the Korrit can attack more than once, it can pack hunt more
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20. Q. I start my turn with O'qua and I use Conjure. I then manage to
interchange through all three Magi and I come back to O'Qua. Can I
use Conjure again?

RT: Yes, once a Magi leaves play, the rules for card memory forget whether he
or she used
a Power or not.

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21. Q. Let's say I have a Tree Hinko in play, and already used it's
power. On my opponents turn he uses Crushing Fungus and happens to
get rid of the Hinko. Then on my turn, I use a Flood of Energy, would
I, in effect be canceling out the Hinko's power, energize for two
more with the Flood, or just energize for two more the next time I
energize?

RT: After the Tree Hinko uses his power, the next time you energize,
regardless of why, when, or how, you get the bonus.

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22. Q. It doesn't say discard one of your Oracles, so if my opponent
tries to nuke my Sandsifter, I can really discard one of my
opponent's Oracles to save it?

RT: Yes, you may; 'any one Oracle' encompasses opposing Oracles as well.

If so and this happens while my opponent is Risha, can she be
instantly defeat this way?

RT: Yes, if this scenario were to happen.

Or (even worst) what happens if we both have 1 Sandsifter as our only
Oracle? Wouldn't this targeting of the opponent's Oracle last
forever, considering neither player would like to forfeit their
Sandsifter?

RT: Because an Oracle must be discarded to generate the effect of keeping the
Sandsifter in play, discarding the Oracle is a 'cost'. Losing a card, energy,
etc. for a cost has no source, and so the opposing Sandsifter would not get
the opportunity to save itself by discarding an Oracle.

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23. Q. Kyg'n's effect "True Grit" states that he is not defeated, even
if he has no creatures in play and no energy, until he is directly
attacked. Does this protect him from "direct defeat" things like
Awakening, Trug's Cataclysm and Risha's Glorious Prophesy?

RT: Yes; he must still be attacked in order to be defeated.


Also, if Kyg'n has a Dewstone in play, no energy, and an illusion in
play, can he discard the Dewstone to gain five energy? (Or can any
magi, for that matter?)

RT: Yes, but only at the time in which he would be defeated.

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24. Q. Naroom Magi uses a power. Paradwyn Magi casts Bloom and uses
K'teeb Thumper to Dream Thump. Is that legal or only possible if
Naroom Magi used a power the previous turn, before Paradwyn Magi's
turn?

Scenario two: Naroom Magi uses power on a creature. Paradwyn Magi
casts Bloom and has the K'teeb Thumper use it's power to Thump.
Naroom magi then uses own K'teeb Thumper to Thump the Paradwyn K'teeb
Thumper. Is that possible or not possible because the Paradwyn K'teeb
Thumper used it' power with Bloom during Naroom Magi's turn?

RT: No. Dreamthump specifies that the Creature or Magi must have
used a Power on its last turn.

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25. Q. This question is about the card Furok Protector. The card says:

Effect - Thick Coat
When you play Furok Protector, choose an opposing Magi. Set Furok
Protector's energy equal the chosen Magi's energize.

Say Player A plays a Furok Protector. Player's B magi is Fiend of
Furoks (energize rate 6). Furok Protector's energy is now 6. My
question is does the three extra energy come from player's A magi,
player's B magi, or neither?

RT: Neither, you simply set the energy of the Creature equal to the
opposing Magi's Energize rate.

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26. Q. If Scyalla uses Pet Project to make something like Drushes or
Wudges Weave Creatures, does that mean that Core magi will not be
able to play those creatures? Barring something like Ashio with
Agram's Staff, that is.

RT: No, Pet Project only affects the Creatures of the chosen type
that you play. It does not affect the opposing cards at all.

Similarly, If Scyalla uses Pet Project to make Grags Weave creatures,
does that mean Underneath and Kybar's Teeth magi can not use
Cleansing to make Core Grag (now Weave Grag?) a Kybar's Teeth or
Underneath creature? What if a creature is Cleansed first and then
Pet Projected?

RT: No. Your cards do not actually change type until they are
played. When you play them, they come into play as Weave.

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27. Q. Can an Arderial Shadow Magi trigger Grand Epik's effects? If
not, is there any way i can make the magi trigger the effects?

RT: No. All Shadow Magi are Core Magi.

Do all shadow magi need agram's staff to play cards of their original
region?

RT: Yes, unless a card states otherwise. There are several cards
that include text such as "[region] shadow magi may play [this
card]," and some magi such as Evil Evu have specific text allowing
them to play non-core cards.

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28. Q. If I play an Abraxin's Crown from my hand to block a Storm of
Fishes, do I still need to show my hand to my opponent?

RT: Yes. Storm of Fishes does two things. It Reveals your hand then
discards cards; Abraxin's Crown only stops the discard.

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29. Q. Wence the Wanderer plays Tuk Berries and Energy Band in his
first Spells/Powers/Relics phase. He uses both of their powers on his
Bungaloo. Which one takes priority? Or does it depend on the order in
which he used the relics' powers?

RT: The Creature may not attack. Charge says it must attack if
able, but Nourish says that it may not attack.

Does the first power used take priority or the second power used?
Does it make a difference if the creature is a Junjertrug?

RT: No; since Hunger says if able, Nourish takes precedent.

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30. Q. Does the errata on Deep Wellisk eliminate energy
reorganization through cards such as Flame Control?

RT: Yes; the text of the Wellisk's nameless Effect should be read as follows:

Effect: Deep Wellisk may not be discarded from play by opposing cards while
it has energy. Your cards cannot increase Deep Wellisk's energy total.

If a rearrange effect is used, energy may be taken from the Wellisk, but if
you try to place it back (or place it there from another source), the energy
is lost.

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31. Q. If my Rock Hyren is hit with a Sawgrass, is it discarded from
play?

RT: Yes.

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NON-LEGAL LIMITED CARDS

The following list of cards is provided as a reference to cite
current, non-legal promotional cards, and their expected legal date:

Power of the Creators: No date currently planned.
Tony at a Con: No date currently planned.
Dan (including alternate artwork): No date currently planned.
Ludi: No date currently planned.

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1. Do not answer rules questions on the list, even if they are not
preceded by a [RULES] note.
2. Old rules digests may be found in the Files section of the
listserv:
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Please check previous digests before asking a question to be certain
it has not been answered before.
3. Include [RULES] in the subject of all rules posts, otherwise the
rules team may miss the question for the digest.
4. We must stress again the first rule; those who continually violate
this will be in danger of moderation.




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