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RT = Rules Team

IN THIS DIGEST:

Announcements and Clarifications.
Errata (Legal 03/15/03).
1. Rayjes Belt vs. Illusions.
2. Yaki vs. Drajan.
3. Stalking Flutteryup.
4. "Ummm....NO!" vs. Dessicate.
5. Sarazen Outcast vs. Sandstone Hyren.
6. Unmake and Creature Types.
7. Playing Brushfire.
8. Sunburn and energy costs.
9. Shivara and Crushing Spells.
10. Vogo & Sandstone Hyren.
11. Restoring to starting energy.
12. Icefang Battlesled.
13. Thresh misprint.
14. Paying costs for Creature powers.
15. Multiple Multipliers (stacking).
16. Choosing.
17. Horizon’s Mirage vs. Spirit of Nar.
18. Multiple Ballistic Baldars.
19. Multiple Attacks (stacking).
20. Snow Barl Pup vs. Phrup & Vertigo.
21. Relic-Creatures & Starting Energy
22. Re-using Bria
23. Regional Penalties & Universal Magi
24. Enhanced Invulnerability & Super Invulnerability
25. Dark Cragnoc & Vogo

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ANNOUNCEMENTS AND CLARIFICATIONS

Sikra
In the previous rules Digest, Sikra was listed as a d’Resh Creature instead
of a d’Resh/Underneath Creature. This was NOT a change; Sikra is still a d’
Resh/Underneath Creature.

Thresh
Effect – Rethresh: Whenever…

Reasoning: Thresh is misprinted. Rethresh is an Effect, not a Power.

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ERRATA (Legal 03/15/03)

Will of Orothe
Orothe Spell
6
Attach Will of Orothe to an opposing Magi. If Will of Orothe is still
attached during that Magi's Attack step, you choose whether or not that
Magi's Creatures attack and which Creatures they attack. A Creature may not
attack another Creature controlled by the same player. Discard Will of Orothe
at the beginning of your next turn.

Reasoning: The Will/Entangle Spell combination has long been a stalling
standard of the unfair combo decks that have been the primary sources of
abuse in Magi-Nation DUEL. The main cause of that abuse was the fact that, as
both Will and Entangle affect the opponent and not their Magi, the
suppression caused by Will of Orothe was unduly unstoppable. These changes
not only align the card more to modern design intent, affecting a Magi and
not the player, as well as making the Spell linger to have a chance of being
dispelled.

Blizzard Core
Nar Relic
5
Effect - Coriolis: At the beginning of your Energize step, before you
energize, choose a Magi. If that Magi has no Creatures in play and your Magi
has more energy than the chosen Magi's starting energy, discard Blizzard Core
and defeat the chosen Magi.

Reasoning: This change is based on some last-minute playtest suggestions to
Blizzard Core that were unable to be implemented at the time of printing. The
card was never intended to be used with Perpetual Motion, and a Magi using
the Blizzard Core should not receive the energy bonus for the turn to almost
certainly seal their chances of success.

Creeping Chill
Bograth/Kybar's Teeth Spell
2
Until the end of your next turn, as one of your Kybar's Teeth Creatures is
attacked, it gains three energy if you control at least one Bograth Creature
and as one of your Bograth Creatures attacks, it gains three energy if you
control at least one Kybar's Teeth Creature.

Reasoning: Because of unfair abuse with Overwrite-style abilities, players
were able to intentionally misuse Creeping Chill to the detriment of their
environment. This change to the Spell enables it to continue being a combat
booster for Bograth/Kybar's Teeth decks, but not in a way that can be overly
abused.

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1. Can I use the belt to lock down the unnamed effect that prevents one of my
illusions from attacking a Magi directly as well as keeping me from being
defeated if my illusion is in play and I have no other creatures or energy on
my magi?

RT - No. Rayje’s Belt says to name a Power or Effect on a card in play.
Effects without a name cannot be named.

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2. Does Drajan's ability to negate Effects during attacks prevent Yaki from
allowing his creatures to attack twice per turn?

RT - No, Drajan’s Effect prevents the use of Effects that occur during/in an
attack/attacks, but not Effects that occur outside of attacks (such as Yaki's
Double Strike).

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3. Would Flutteryups Dodge, which makes it lose no energy in the attack if a
creature with more than 3 energy was involved in the attack, keep it from
losing the additional energy from it being stalked (which seems to be part of
the attack)?

RT - Yes, if the conditions for Dodge are met, the Flutter Yup will lose no
energy during that attack.

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4. Dessicate removes all energy from a creature, which would cause it to be
discarded specifically, could Umm...no be used to prevent the creature from
being discarded? Or is Umm...no specific to cards that say "Discard the
chosen creature/card/etc."?

RT - The phrases "specifically discard a Creature" should be read in all
cases as "discard a Creature while it has energy." The word "specifically" is
now obsolete, and is not used on cards anymore. Desiccate discards the
Creature when it has no energy – "Ummm… NO!" cannot be played to save the
Creature.

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5. If Sarazen Outcast's Favored Enemy is D'Resh (or Kybar's Teeth) and it
attacks a Sandstone Hyren, which has Super Invulnerability (loses two less
energy from attacks and loses no energy from effects during any player's
attack), would it lose any energy from the Sarazen Outcasts effect Bane (add
four energy before energy is removed when in an attack with it's Favored
Enemy)? Example: Sarazen Outcast is at 3 energy, Sandstone Hyren is at 9.
Would the SC end the battle dead, having done 5 total damage to the SH or
just 1?

RT - Sarazen Outcast’s Effect does not do anything to any other Creatures.
The Outcast in your example would attack, gaining four energy, and would be
then at seven energy. Combat between the two Creatures is handled normally.
In the example, it would remove five energy (7 – 2) from the Hyren, and the
Hyren would remove nine energy from the Outcast (defeating it).

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6. Unmake refers to doing 1 damage to each creature of the same type as the
one that was just unmade, does that mean region or named creatures? Example:
I Unmake a Balamant, do all Naroom creatures in play lose one energy or all
Balamants in play lose 1 energy?

RT - A Creature type is any one whole word in a Creature’s Name, ignoring
plurals. This is different from Regions, which are found on a Creature’s
subtitle. For example, if a Balamant Pup were chosen as the target for
Unmake, all Balamants and all Pups would lose one energy after the chosen
creature was discarded (another Balamant Pup would only lose one energy, not
two for sharing more than one type).

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7. A. Can brushfire be played from the discard pile during your opponent’s
turn? If so when can you use its effect? i.e. any time during your opponents
turn or just during your opponents S/P/R phase or what?

RT - The way to play Brushfire is to treat it as if it were in your hand. You
play it the same way whether it is in your hand or discard pile. You can
normally only a Brushfire in your hand on your turn, and during a PRS step.
The same is true for a Brushfire in the discard pile (note that cards like
Good Ol’ Ashgar allow you to break this rule).

B. When played from the discard pile can its cost be reduced by other S/P/R's
(such as Robe of the Ages)? When played from the discard pile can its damage
be enhanced by other S/P/R's (like Scroll of Fire)?

RT - Robes of the Ages and Scroll of Fire (and other cards) affect Brushfire
when you play it from your hand, and so they do the same when you play
Brushfire from the discard pile.

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8. Sunburn while paying cost for a power… Does it lose two additional energy?
I didn't think so at first but, then I read the glossary in the rulebook from
Fall 2002. Power states, 'Pay all cost associated with that power such as
\ENERGY LOSS\ and/or discarding the source creature.' Sunburn reads,
'Whenever a creature loses energy, it loses two additional energy.'

RT - No. Energy use to pay for the cost of a power does not count as energy
loss, removing energy, etc. Another example is Dryte Fiend’s Effect,
"Condemn." Using "Condemn" on an opponent’s 3 energy Magma Hyren won’t cause
it to die when it uses one of its Powers.

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9. Shivara reads, 'Whenever one of your creatures is discarded by an opposing
spell, instead return that creature to its owner's hand.' Crushing spells
read, 'Choose any one creature in play. Discard four from the chosen
creature. If this discards the chosen creature from play...’ If a Crushing
Spell is played on Shivara’s Creature…

A. Is the creature returned to its owner's hand per Shivara's effect? Why or
why not?

RT - Yes, the Creature would be returned to its owner’s hand, because it is
being discarded from play by an opposing Spell.

B. If it is, does the second effect of the crushing spell go off?

RT - No, because Shivara’s Effect says that the Creature is returned to its
owner’s hand "instead". The secondary effect of the Crushing Spell would not
occur.

C. If her effect goes off, does it go off for all energy removal spells?

RT - Yes, if the spell is an opposing one and reduces the Creature to zero
energy. These questions were also partly covered in the previous Rules Digest
(02/25/03)

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10. My opponent wants to cast Crushing _______ on my Mosp so they can attack
my other creatures. My Vogo uses Interrupt to retarget the spell to my
Sandstone Hyren, which is currently the largest creature in play. Does my
Sandstone Hyren simply take four damage or does my opponent find themselves
paying the extra cost to target Sandstone Hyren? Does the spell just fizzle?
What if my opponent can not afford the extra cost?

RT - The Sandstone Hyren will lose four energy from the Crushing Spell. Your
opponent does not need to pay any additional energy because they did not
choose the Sandstone Hyren. If you read Vogo, you will see that you are the
one choosing the Sandstone Hyren, not your opponent. "Interrupt" says, "…you
may choose any one of your other Creatures in play…").

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11. Can Yaw restore a frozen creature with more than it's starting energy
back down to their starting energy?

RT - Yes. Restoring a Creature to its starting energy can add or remove
energy.

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12. Does Icefang Battlesled allow creatures that normally could not attack
strike a Magi? Unlike Energy Band it does not have the "if able" text.

RT - Yes, Icefang Battlesled allows the chosen Creature to attack, even if it
would normally not be allowed to.

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13. Thresh - Weave Dream Creature
Power - Rethresh: Whenever a Weave card is discarded from play on an
opponent's turn, add one energy to Thresh.
The question is the Power - "Rethresh" supposed be an Effect? The reason this
is important is how would this Power be triggered during an opponent’s turn
and how would it work if the Thresh is frozen?

RT - Yes. This is a misprint. Treat the card as if it said, "Effect –
Rethresh: Whenever…"

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14.First: From the newest rulebook the steps to use a Power.
1. Announce that you are using the Power.
2. Pay all costs associated with that Power such as energy loss and/or
discarding the source Creature. These costs occur and are paid
simultaneously.
3. Check to see if any Creatures have reached zero energy. If they have,
discard them from play. If the source Creature is discarded at this point,
the Power still continues to operate.
4. Make all choices involved. If there is no longer a valid card to choose,
then the Power ceases. If a Power requires you to discard a Creature, choose
it now.
<subsequent steps omitted>

Now Inferno Xyx:
Power-Blast: (4) Discard Inferno Xyx from Play. Choose any one creature in
play. Discard fifteen energy from the chosen creature.

The situation was there was an Inferno Xyx in play with just 4 energy. Can it
use the power? Because the step of paying the cost is 4e AND discard the
creature, these payments occurs simultaneously. Now how does this differ from
Xyx Minor from selecting itself for boosting? Is it the fact that step 3
occurs before 4 and thus the Xyx Minor cannot choose itself?

RT - Yes, an inferno Xyx at four energy can use its Power. The same is true
for cards like Core Grag; if a Creature uses a Power with a self-referential
discard cost (meaning it specifically names itself to be discarded), then the
cost is filled if the Creature ends up in the discard pile at any point
during cost payment.

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15. This is just a question of the results of effects stacking. When a Comet
Hyren attacks it deals double damage to the opposing creature. If I had a
Storm Wings out, would it double the energy based on what the Comet Hyren's
Bright Tail effect since this is what it removes "normally?" I doubt it, but
it is something to know.

RT - No; The two overlap (they do not stack) because both effects 'set' the
energy removed based on the Creature's current energy total. A 7E Comet Hyren
would remove fourteen energy (both its Effect and Storm Wings cause it to
remove the same final amount of energy).

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16. Instant Fortress and Laranel both cards state that if a creature a
creature or Magi is choose. Any cards that don't specifically say "choose"
can pass through Laranel and Fortress? Like Xyx, discard 4 energy from any
Magi. Or any spell or power of mass removal (multiple targets).

RT - The most recent printing of Xyx uses the word, "choose." Additionally,
cards that have a global effect, like Ormagon, Poison Baloo Root, Cataclysm,
etc. are not affected by Laranel (or Sandstone Hyren, or Instant Fortress,
etc.). Card effects that do not "choose" are not affected by those cards.
Note that there are a few cards that clearly involve choices, but do not
specifically use the word Choose. Any time that you have to make a decision
regarding which card to affect, you are "choosing," for all game purposes.
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17. Horizon Mirage let you play creatures for free at the end of the next
turn. If the turn in which the cards suppose to be play and a Spirit of Nar
is played by my opponent. What happened to the creatures? Are wasted, or will
have to wait another turn to be play?

RT - Spirit of Nar prevents a player from playing cards from their hand. It
has no effect on cards played from any other location.
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18. If 2 Ballistic Baldars are play by the same player. Will both effect
trigger at the same time or just 1? If one of the effect resolve first then
the other Baldar may lose 3 energy and will not be able to do his effect,
right?

RT - Both Ballistic Baldars’ Effects will trigger. Ballistic Baldar’s Effect
occurs whether or not it has enough energy. If the Effect removes the last of
the Baldar’s energy, the Baldar is discarded and the Effect does nothing
else.
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19. Could I really make a Weave/Naroom creature attack FOUR times a turn
using The Hunt, Weave Seed, and Yaki's Gauntlets? The Hunt allows Weave
creatures to attack twice. Weave Seed allows an ADDITIONAL attack. Yaki's
Gauntlets allows yet another ADDITIONAL attack. Bungaloos are a Weave/Naroom
creature. Thus it is affected by both spells and the relic. Wence the
Wanderer can cast both spells and play the relic without penalty or
restriction. He can also play Gift of the Weave.

RT - Yes, the Creature would be able to attack four times in the example
given.
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20. I want to be sure, but if I draw a card outside my draw step and my
opponent puts down a snow barl pup, do I get to discard my phrup to get rid
of it? And if I choose to do so, am I correct in assuming that my opponent
does not get four free energy back since they did not spend any to summon if
they are Nar magi? What about if Vertigo was cast? Does the penalty from
Vertigo get paid when putting down the snow barl pup and then get put back on
the magi?

RT - This question is acutally several questions, and the answers can be
broken down into a few rules.

A. Yes, you can use Phrup to stop a Snow Barl Pup that is played using its
Effect. You may use Phrup’s "Time Lapse" any time an opponent plays a card.

B. If your opponent paid no energy to play the Time Lapsed card (for example,
if they Dreamdraft a Snow Barl Pup using a Nar Magi), then no energy is
returned to that Magi. If that player paid energy to play that card (for
example, if they Dreamdraft a Snow Barl Pup using a non-Nar Magi), that much
energy is returned to that player’s Magi; this includes all cost increases
(like regional penalties) or reductions (like robes of the ages).

C. Vertigo only affects a Magi on that Magi’s Player’s turn. It does not
increase the cost of cards played by that Player on anyone else’s turn.

D. Snow Barl Pup, when played using its effect "Dreamdraft" ignores all
costs. If its cost would somehow be increased, it would ignore the increased
cost.
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21. Koll plays and activates Kybar's Fang. After using it to attack and crush
a 6 energy Grax, Koll realizes that he only has two energy left and the Fang
will revert back to a relic at the end of the turn, leaving him open and with
only two energy. Can Koll use Dream Twist to twist out Kybar's Fang and bring
in another creature to defend? If so, what can Koll twist in? Is Kybar's Fang
considered to have a starting energy of eight? Fourteen?

RT - None; a Creature that is not printed as a Creature has a printed
starting energy of zero.
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22. It was ruled previously that if a shadow deck with Nagsis used
Interchange several times that the shadow magi would no longer be a shadow
magi as they have "forgotten" being possessed after they came up a second
time. By the same logic, could Bria play some non-Orothe/non Universal relics
from one region, Interchange out, then play relics from a different region
the next time she Interchanged in, and so on and so on?

RT - Yes. Bria’s Effect is use each time she is revealed.
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23. how do regional penalties work for universal magi? can they just summon
what ever they want without peneltay? enlighten me please.

RT - From the 10/23/02 Digest:

"Universal Magi are from their own region, which is a jack-of-all-trades and
yet a master of none. They must pay a regional penalty for all non-Universal
cards while non-Universal Magi continue to have no penalty for Universal
cards.

The Universal 'region' is what the Eliwan wielded initially from the time
they started using the magic of the Moonlands. It is the basis for which all
magic of the Moonlands is founded; later on, different regional founders and
elders tempered the practices and learnings of the Eliwan to tailor their own
distinct styles of magic, encompassing the summoning of non-Universal Dream
Creatures as well. While regional Magi had to learn the Eliwan teachings as a
foundation for their more specialized, regional-specific forms of magic,
Universal Magi never fully graduated beyond the initial Eliwan teachings,
either by choice (Rayje), lack of access (Tuku), or lack of practice (Tony
Jones)."

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24. does Targ'n's enhanced invulnerability work with sandstone hyrens super
invulnerability?

RT - No. Enhanced Invulnerability only works for Creatures with the Effect
"Invulnerability".
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24. Chur has a Dark Cragnoc, a Vogo (thanks to Agram's Staff), and a Dagok in
play. The opponent wants to hit the Dagok with a Grow spell. Chur uses the
Vogo's Interupt to redirect the spell to the Dark Cragnoc. Does the DC gain
energy from Grow? Or does the Vogo count for being the one making DC get the
spell, thus counting as one of my cards and not having effect?

RT - Dark Cragnoc cannot gain energy from your cards, but your opponent’s
Grow is not your card (Vogo does not change the controller of the Spell or
Power). The Dark Cragnoc would gain the energy.

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NON-LEGAL LIMITED CARDS

The following list of cards is provided as a reference to cite
current, non-legal promotional cards, and their expected legal date:

Power of the Creators: No date currently planned.
Tony at a Con: No date currently planned.
Dan (including alternate artwork): No date currently planned.
Ludi: No date currently planned.

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