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RT = Rules Team

IN THIS DIGEST:

Announcements and Clarifications
1. Scavenger feedings.
2. Dream Rift vs. Purity rulings.
3. So Nagsis really can't fake it?
4. Kolte and Pack Hunt.
5. Regal Presence and Crystal Parmalag.
6. Withering Shield.
7. Condemn and Cremate.
8. Climbing Staff vs. Dreamburned Syphon Vortex.
9. Dual-regional questions.
10. Cataclysm and specific discard.
11. Multiple Brushfires.
12. Koil and Re-Koil.
Non-Legal Limited Cards

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ANNOUNCEMENTS AND CLARIFICATIONS

Errata Reminder - Owinda's Gift. This errata was made long ago, but the card
was not readily available back then; this is just a reminder of the errata.

Owinda's Gift
Orothe Spell
Cost: 3
If you have a Creature in play, draw two cards. Return any one of your
Creatures in play to its owner's hand and discard its energy.

CLARIFICATIONS

Empress Gia's Effects should be treated as if they said "Effect - Act Like
Gia: If Empress Gia has no Core cards in play, draw an additional card at the
end of each of your turns and your Weave Creatures lose one less energy when
attacked." and "Effect - Fight Like Nagsis: If Empress Gia has no Core cards
in play, all of your Creatures may attack, even those that cannot normally
attack.".

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Mike (mont1983@...) writes:

1. Sphor says "Each time a Creature you control is discarded from play,
add one energy to Sphor". Does "discarding" include being defeated
in an attack? How about all energy being removed by a spell?

RT - Yes to both; anything that either directly discards a Creature (such as
Shockwave) in addition to the mechanical means of discarding a Creature from
play (reducing it to zero energy by any means or if something happens to
specifically defeat a Creature's Magi) is discarding a Creature from play.

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Mike writes again:

2. It has been previously ruled that the "Ring" cards from the league
can only be used if there are appropriate spells in the discard
pile. Using this line of thinking, shouldn't Dream Rift only be
playable if there are cretures in the discard pile?

RT - No; there are no conditions required to play Dream Rift, unlike using
Purity. Purity needs Spells in the discard pile to compare against, while
Dream Rift will shuffle Creatures into your deck if it finds them there;
otherwise, it just shuffles the deck and allows you to draw three cards.

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Lazarus Agbowo (ogbonna2@...) writes:

3. At a league session today, a player brought up a very good point. The
wording on Empress Gia says that she can draw an additional card at her draws
step if she has no core cards in play. However she is an alternate Nagsis
automatically making her a Core card. With the wording as it is, it would be
impossible for Empress Gia to ever draw an additional card even if the player
was running only weave cards.

RT - No; treat Empress Gia as if he had the changes mentioned in the opening
announcements. Remember, a Magi never has themself in play.

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Jodo Kast (jodo_kast@...) writes:

4. As far as I know this one hasn't been asked. . .
If an opponent's creature (say a 2e Parmalag that has used it's Shield
power) attacks one of Kolte's creatures (say a 5e Weave Hyren) and takes a
Pack Hunting 3e Korrit with it, which creature gets hit by Kolte's Parting
Shot Effect?
Does the Parmalag and Korrit inflict damage simultaneously or what?
Basically, do I get to choose which creature cops the Parting Shot?

RT - No; in Magi-Nation, when events occur simultaneously, they are still
resolved sequentially, in play order beginning with the active player and
then each player's effects in the order they choose. In this case, both the
Korrit and Parmalag attemtp to discard energy simultaneously, but because of
the timing structure, the controller of the Creatures chooses which Creature
removes energy first, and which second (the defending player also chooses
which attacker the Weave Hyren removes 5E from first, then which second,
after the attacker since the attacker is the inactive player; note that Pack
Hunt will still stop the defending Creature from removing energy from the
Korrit, however, meaning Piercing, etc., will not let the Korrit lose energy
anyway). If the Parmalag discards energy first, then the Korrit will be the
one defeating the Hyren, and will be the victim of Parting Shot, though
unaffected by it. If the Korrit discarded energy first, then the Parmalag
will be affected by Parting Shot instead when it defeats the Hyren, but will
have the energy loss reduced to zero if Shield is in effect.

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Also, switch the Weave Hyren in the example above with a Lascinth. How does
the Lascinth's Reflexes Effect work with Pack Hunting? I would assume that
the Parmalag would be discarded without getting a chance to remove energy
from the Lascinth but the Korrit would still inflict it's damage and escape
unscathed.

RT - No; the Shield will prevent the Parmalag from being defeated when the
Lascinth removes energy, but the Korrit will still be around to remove its
energy from the Lascinth when it's the Korrit's turn. If the Shield were not
in place, the Parmalag would be discarded before energy was removed.

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SSJ_Mato (c_radd@...) writes:

5. I just want to be sure on this issue. Magi A has a Tunnel Parmalag
and an Elder Yark in play, both at 7 energy). Magi B attacks the
Tunnel Parmalag with a four energy Eebit, which goes squish yet
somehow makes it back to Magi B's player's hand. Does the Tunnel
Parmalag take 4 energy damage or only 2 energy because of the Elder
Yark's Regal Presence?

RT - The Parmalag only loses two energy; Regal Presence is a replacement
effect, and replaces the amount initially remove by the Eebit. Essentially,
the Eebit only attempts to remove two, not four, so the extra two energy is
not reduced since it never is attempted to be removed.

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Van Russel (recin00@...) writes:

6. If I have a Cliff Hyren in play and I have 2 other KT Creatures, my
opponent has a Poison Baloo Root and uses Wither, how much damage
does the Cliff Hyren take? 1 or 3?

RT - The Hyren loses only one energy; Shield does not allow Wither to affect
the other Kybar's Teeth Creatures you have in play.

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Sean Wallace (sean_p_wallace@...) writes:

7. Had a player try an interesting tactic with core vs Orothe creature theft
and an odd ruling situation came up. Core had a Dryte Fiend in play and
used Condemn on the Dark Crag Orothe stole the previous turn.
Orothe used Dark Crags ability at 8 energy to discard 5 from the Dryte
Fiend. My ruling was that Condemn did not increase the cost of P/E on
targeted creatures as the energy is being lost as a cost of the P/E rather
than energy loss resulting from a P/S affecting them. Was this the proper
interpretation of Condemn or does Condemn actually increase any costs for
P/E used by the targeted creature by 3?

RT - Yes; Cremate is worded a bit awkwardly, and the energy loss is a cost,
not actual discard.

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Mike asks again:

8. If you use Syphon Vortex/Crown against a Magi, you may be able to
block it (with Climbing Staff)...Rules Team?

RT - No; a move effect can only successfully happen if it can both discard
energy from its source and add energy to its destination, and in such a case,
it cannot affect only a Magi and is not 'Staffable'.

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Jason Sniegowski (jsniegowski@...) writes:

9. with previous rulings it was stated that a card was always of the region
checked for. Does (the Nightmare's Dawn) ruling change past precedence. ie. I
play an ormagon my opponnent has one of many kt/underneath creatures in play
are they now no longer just underneath so they are discarded from play?
another example, would typhoon affect the hurricane orish or bubble xyx?

RT - No, the precedence was not changed. A dual-region card is still all of
its regions simultaneously, but in almost every case only one region matters
at a time. Essentially, when a card effect checks for a region on a
dual-region card, check to see if the region ask for matches up, then do one
of the following:

Affects only this region and type (Choose a Naroom Creature): If one of the
regions on the card is Naroom, then it's a valid choice, because it is
Naroom.

Does not affect cards of only this region (Discard all non-Underneath Relics
from play): If one of the regions on a Relic is Underneath, then this effect
will not affect it, because it is Underneath and therefore not
non-Underneath.

So, your Urigant is safe from Devastate, and your Hurricane Orish is
unscathed by Typhoon.

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Randy Smith (wendrethace@...) writes:

10. I was wondering about Cataclysm. If I`m playing
Kybars teeth and I have a Greater Gargagnor and a
Kybars Fang and sevral other creatures in play, my
opponent plays Cataclysm, does my Greater Gargagnor
and my Kybars Fang stay in play.

RT - Yes; Cataclysm attempts to discard both cards from play, but they have
Effects which prevent them from being discarded while thay have energy.

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Gregg Gargano (garganimal@...) writes:

11. If I have multiple Brushfires in my
graveyard, can I play each copy of brushfire in my
discard pile once per turn OR can I only play
brushfire once per turn from my discard pile?

RT - No; Brushfire restricts itself to only allow one to be played from the
discard pile each turn, regardless of how many are there.

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Bluntaxe (bluntaxe@...) writes:

12. It has been previously ruled that Koil is not shuffled into the deck
when his 'Re-Koil' effect
goes off. (which has always bugged me)
I'm curious if the latest rules team will continue to rule this way.
The reason I ask is the key words
'after it is discarded from play' in the effects wording.

Nothing big, just something I want cleared up.

RT - No; Re-Koil does not trigger until the Koil is placed in the discard
pile, so it will be shuffled into your deck if you Re-Koil yourself.

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NON-LEGAL LIMITED CARDS

The following list of cards is provided as a reference to cite current,
non-legal promotional cards, and their expected legal date:

Shivara: October 29, 2002
Kayliel: November 2, 2002
Coral Pyder: November 2, 2002
Orlon's Ring: November 2, 2002
Owinda's Gift: November 2, 2002
Oranragon: November 9, 2002
Power of the Creators: No date currently planned.
Tony at a Con: No date currently planned.
Dan (including alternate artwork): No date currently planned.
Dan (Tony Jones Universal version): No date currently planned.
Ludi: No date currently planned.

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