John,

I've been away a long time but am just about over my marital problems. I play
with 20mm and don't base the vehicles (mainly) look in the photo's section there
are loads of mine. I have found the rules work fine for 20mm.

Paul

I'm thinking about doing LSNC:ACW in 25/28mm.  I'd really like to put 10
infantry on a base in 2 ranks but the 1.5" depth is a little tight.  I was
thinking of expanding the depth a quarter inch (so infantry bases would by 3"
x1.75" or 1.5"x1.75" for small units).  In most rules, base depth isn't really
critical. So, would the increased base depth be a problem in LSNC:ACW?

Dear Members,
LMW Works has published three new rules sets.

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Sincerely,
Phil

Hi All
I saw the Troyanka scenario under the files section and it had a unit of BA10's.
I don't recall seeing the data sheet for the BA6/BA10 in the rules. Has any one
put together a document with other AFV's types not in the rules?

Or did I just miss it?

Thanks
Mike

PS: can't wait to try the ACW rules!!!

Thanks Chris!!
Mike

--- In LookSargeNoCharts@yahoogroups.com, CNJPalmer@... wrote:
>
>
> Mike-
>  No, you didn't miss anything.  But having a document like that  might be a
> good idea.
>   I came up for the BA-10 stats by looking at the actual vehicle data,  the
> numbers already assigned to other armored cars such as the BA-64, and the
> stats for the 45mm AT gun.
> This is what we used in the Troyanka battle:
>
> Movement: 16, 18, 14, 12 / Defense: 6, 7, 8, 9 / AP- 5:1, 48:  -1 / AT- 24:
> 4, 48: 2
>
> At this point it won't be a long wait for the ACW version. They'll be
> released in a little over a week.
>
>  -Chris Palmer
>
> In a message dated 7/8/2009 7:39:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> masm6110@... writes:
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi All
> I saw the Troyanka scenario under the files section and it had a  unit of
> BA10's. I don't recall seeing the data sheet for the BA6/BA10 in the  rules.
> Has any one put together a document with other AFV's types not in the  rules?
>
> Or did I just miss it?
>
> Thanks
> Mike
>
> PS: can't  wait to try the ACW rules!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> **************Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists on
> tour at TourTracker.com.
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There are so many differnt types of vehicles in WWII that it's very difficult to
claim to have developed stats for "all."  We tried to include a broad enough
vehicles that you could take the "body" stats from one vehicle and combine them
with the "gun" stats from another to create one we didn't include in the data
tables.

Buck

For those looking forward to the Civil War rules, I see that they have shown up
on Amazon.com: 
http://www.amazon.com/Look-Sarge-No-Charts-American/dp/B002GK11D2/ref=sr_1_2?ie=\
UTF8&s=books&qid=1247135838&sr=8-2

Buck

Hi Buck!

Not a Civil War guy, but really looking forward to Historicon and playing some
LSNC WW2!

Any chance we can see the PT Boat game one night? Hopefully PT Dockyard will be
there so I can pick up some boats.

Eric Burgess
Semper Invictus

I didn't realize that these rules are at division level. Wow! isn't that kind of a large scale?

Posted by: "surdu2000" john.surdu@...   surdu2000

Thu Jul 9, 2009 3:38 am (PDT)

Eric:

   Thanks for the note about the PT boats.  I'm running several games at
Historicon:
Friday (1000): Commandos game using Blood and Swash for kids
Friday (1900): Assisting Duncan with his WWI BAPS game
Saturday (0900): LSNC WWII France 1940
Saturday (1400): LSNC WWII Poland 1939
Saturday (1900): GASLIGHT game featuring the Eureka anthropomophic frogs
Sunday (1000): Blood and Swash pirate tavern fight

   Will you be at the convention on Thursday?  I'll bring the PT boats.  We could
play Thursday evening or perhaps some time on Friday.  Send me a direct Email
(surdu@...) if interested.  I'll want to spend some time on Friday at the
dealer area spending money I don't have on stuff I don't need.  I'm going to try
to get into Jamie Davis' flying carpet race on Friday at 1400.

Buck

--- In LookSargeNoCharts@yahoogroups.com, Eric Burgess <EricBu@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Buck!
>
> Not a Civil War guy, but really looking forward to Historicon and playing some
LSNC WW2!
>
> Any chance we can see the PT Boat game one night? Hopefully PT Dockyard will
be there so I can pick up some boats.
>
> Eric Burgess
> Semper Invictus
>

For those who like .pdf downloads, A Union So Tested is now avaialble that way
from RPGNow: http://www.rpgnow.com/product_info.php?products_id=62972.

--- In LookSargeNoCharts@yahoogroups.com, "surdu2000" <john.surdu@...> wrote:
>
> For those looking forward to the Civil War rules, I see that they have shown
up on Amazon.com: 
http://www.amazon.com/Look-Sarge-No-Charts-American/dp/B002GK11D2/ref=sr_1_2?ie=\
UTF8&s=books&qid=1247135838&sr=8-2
>
> Buck
>

Terry:

   Chris has already answered your question about the scale.  We felt there was a
gap / niche at this level.  I still think the best "regimental level" ACW game
is the old Rally Round the Flag from the 70's.  If you go up a level, the best
set of ACW rules is probably Fire and Fury.  If you want to play some of the
larger battles of the war, A Union So Tested will allow you to do that.  I don't
think you'll be disappointed.  We, of course, are biased, but we think the rules
give a good feel.

   It took about 6 years to develop LSNC: WWII (new title TBD).  We thought the
conversion for ACW at this scale would be very easy and only take a few months. 
It took about two years.  While we preserved the chart card-less nature of LSNC,
we had to make a number of changes to make them work for black powder.  It's
interesting to command a division.  The LSNC activation system makes maneuver
sometimes challenging.

   Chris and I are trying to finish a new GASLIGHT book, but after that I plan to
work on LSNC: Napoleonics (title TBD).  We'll have to make a few more changes so
that it remains chart-less, works at that high level, but still feels
Napoleonic.  My 14-hour days at work have limited my throughput, so the GASLIGHT
book is late.  I've worked most of the changes out in my head while running in
the mornings, but I've resisted putting troops on the tables for fear of
derailing (again) the GASLIGHT effort.

   Finally, I'd encourage anyone out there who runs A Union So Tested scenarios
to post them in the scenarios area of this list.

Buck

--- In LookSargeNoCharts@yahoogroups.com, Terry Lubka <tlubka@...> wrote:
>
>       I didn't realize that these rules are at division level. Wow!
>       isn't that kind of a large scale?
>
> Terry

Hi,

Have enjoyed playing the rules for some time now but a question arose in
a recent game with a new player in ref to Close Combat.

If a stand makes a full move into CC with a spotted stationary stand, is
there any reduction in its ability to "fire" in its close combat roll?
i.e. does the moved stand  "miss" on an odd roll?

I said that there was no penalty to the moving stand when "CC'ing a
spotted stand (however the rules are clear on what happens when CC'ing a
hidden stand - 5.5.3) but I just wanted to check I was correct.

Thanks

David (Manchester UK)

David:

  You are correct.  There is no penalty to the "charging" unit's die roll.  In the situation you describe, the penalty is that the stationary unit gets to fire first.  If the "charging" unit takes a hit from the stationary unit, when it attacks, the "charging" unit would only hit on even die rolls.  If the "charging" unit had already taken a hit, it would be destroyed by the stationary unit and would not get a close combat roll.

  I hope this helps.

  I'm glad you enjoy the rules.  Are they catching on in the UK or are you a lone voice in the wilderness?
Buck


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Hi,

Have enjoyed playing the rules for some time now but a question arose in
a recent game with a new player in ref to Close Combat.

If a stand makes a full move into CC with a spotted stationary stand, is
there any reduction in its ability to "fire" in its close combat roll?
i.e. does the moved stand  "miss" on an odd roll?

I said that there was no penalty to the moving stand when "CC'ing a
spotted stand (however the rules are clear on what happens when CC'ing a
hidden stand - 5.5.3) but I just wanted to check I was correct.

Thanks

David (Manchester UK)









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All:

   There were several LSNC: WWII and two AUST: LSNC: ACW games at Historicon two
weekends ago.  The ACW games, run by Eric Schlegel, seemed to go quite well. 
It's a very interesting scenario.

   For WWII, there were several GMs.  I ran Poland 1939 and France 1940
scenarios.  I took the scenario from _Scenarios for All Ages_.  It involved both
sides racing to control a town.  The Germans had a lot of mechanized infantry,
while the Poles and French had more light infantry and fewer AFVs.  In both
cases the two sides were close to the town at the same time and the trun of the
cards determine who got to the town first.  In both cases the Germans got there
first, catching the French or Poles just outside town.  While the Poland game
was a nearer run affair, in both cases the Germans won.

   I think all the players had a good time.  The rules allowed for a very
interesting infantry ambush of a German convoy in the center of the table.

   We had one player who played in a Russian campaign game on Friday night, one
of my games Saturday morning, and then another LSNC WWII game later on Saturday.

Buck

LSNC:ACW Unit sizes or Larger Units

I just got my copy of the LSNC:ACW in the mail from a friend who went to
Historicon.
He could only find one copy though I had asked him to buy two. (Did they sell
out?)

I have played the rules in a play test game at Coldwars 09 and now I am getting
ready
run a game using them this Saturday.

The game will be the Second Battle of Kernstown.


Just to confirm …
751-1000 men: two full stands
501-750 men: one full stand and one half stand
250-500 men: one full stand
Less than 250 men: Half stand

What I don't understand is do each of the stands act independently?
I have to assume they do not and must both act as "one" unit i.e. both move,
both fire etc…

Does each full size stand get 3 hits and each half stand 2 hits?
Or are they treated as a large unit getting 6 or 5 hits? And not pinned until
one hit left?
Here I have to assume that a unit with 2 stands, one stand is removed during
played as hits exceed
2 or 3 for a half or full stand….

I mount my 15mm's a little differently and will try to post pictures and at
least a summary if I can figure out how too……


Mike

LSNC:ACW – Help I'm pinned!!

Hi All

Ok, as I had stated, I'm running my first game of LSNC:ACW on Saturday and I'm
starting to think of questions I can see coming…

First: Is a fence cover for the purpose of falling back to on a retreat?

Second: Is blocked LOS cover for the purpose of stopping on a retreat?
	 I'm thinking infantry blocks LOS and a retreating brigade retreats behind a
friendly brigade to it's rear.

Third: Flank/Rear Fire attacks you reduce a targets defensive value by two. Is
this also done for melee on the flank or rear?

Mike

Mike: 

  See answers below.


LSNC:ACW – Help I'm pinned!!

Hi All

Ok, as I had stated, I'm running my first game of LSNC:ACW on Saturday and I'm starting to think of questions I can see coming…

First: Is a fence cover for the purpose of falling back to on a retreat?

Buck:  This is a GM call.  If the fence is a Pennsylvania type that is stone on the bottom, I'd say yes.

Second: Is blocked LOS cover for the purpose of stopping on a retreat?
I'm thinking infantry blocks LOS and a retreating brigade retreats behind a friendly brigade to it's rear.

Buck:  Typically I don't allow units to be "cover."  The rules say cover, so that means a wood line, hill crest, etc.  I can see your point, but that way retreating units won't go very far and can very quickly rejoin the fight.

Third: Flank/Rear Fire attacks you reduce a targets defensive value by two. Is this also done for melee on the flank or rear?

Buck:  Yes.

Let us know how that first game goes!
Mike 



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Hi All

Ok, as I had stated, I'm running my first game of LSNC:ACW on Saturday and I'm starting to think of questions I can see coming…

First: Is a fence cover for the purpose of falling back to on a retreat?

Second: Is blocked LOS cover for the purpose of stopping on a retreat?
        I'm thinking infantry blocks LOS and a retreating brigade retreats behind a friendly brigade to it's rear.

Third: Flank/Rear Fire attacks you reduce a targets defensive value by two. Is this also done for melee on the flank or rear?

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Has anyone tried to use armored trains in  a scenario?  If so, what values did
you use for them?  I think it might be fun for early WWII scenarios in either
Poland or in Russia.

Thanks!

Greg Dryanski

I ran my first game of LSNC:ACW over the weekend. I will post a battle report,
and maybe pictures later, but for now what to ask some questions and share some
observations.

The battle we fought was "Second Kernstown" from "Forward the Colors" by
Anderson and Toews.


Questions
1) Command Radius- is LOS required?
We had a case when a Division commander was on one side of a woods feature with
a brigade and the divisional artillery, and his other two Brigades where on the
other side of the woods.

Since it was our first game a ruled that no LOS was required and the twp
brigades did not have to roll a random order.

2) Passing of command dice
	 Can they be passed down twice?

In the game there was a Corp commander who's card cam up first.  I allowed him
to pass his die to one of his divisional commanders, and he to one of his
brigades. It made sense.


3) Retreats – all of the player were afraid of this.  The battle was set up as
in the scenario book and there was not a lot of "rallying" terrain. All started
wondering if just moving out of musket range or 2x musket range or to a linear
obstacle would suffice.

Does any one have any thoughts on this?
Also what happens if a unit is entering the game near a table edge and does not
have terrain to fall back to?
What if the terrain is 3 feet away?



Thanks
Mike

A little Background

My friends and I use 25mm and 15mm figures for our ACW period. 25mm troops are
used for Johnny Reb II. The 15mm ones had been used for JRII/III.

As of late the 15mm troops were not being used and I did not want to part with
them. So, earlier this year I started mounting my 15mm troops on regimental
bases to experiment with a home set of rules and Fire and Fury Regimental.

They are mounted on bases that are all one inch deep but have various frontages.
Two, three, four and five inches are used.

What I did for LSNC:ACW was to use the five and four inch bases as "Full Sized"
units and the three and two for the "Half Size" regiments.

Since LSNC:ACW is a 10mm game,  I also had to make a chart, "Say it's not so",
for movement rates and firing ranges for the 15mm figures.  They are about 40
yards not 50 and are more in line with the 15mm scale distances my friends and I
are use to with JR and give you some maneuvering distances for the 5 and 4 inch
regiments.


Observations
The battle we fought was "Second Kernstown" from "Forward the Colors" by
Anderson and Toews.

The players picked up the rules quickly. Even having to reference my chart did
not slow the game down. We were able to fight the entire four hour scenario, in
four hours. We had tried fighting the battle using Fire and Fury regimental and
after 6 hours were not even at the "two hour" half way point.

The players had some confusion over, passing command dice, half fire,
"regimental pin" and pinned. All would like to see the unit hit effect/status on
my chart for referencing during play.

I used each turn as "20" minutes of real time. In some cases this seemed short
but it's all dependant on when the Joker appears

Players like the regimental bases, dealing with 4 or 5 bases that are less than
an inch was not fun.

Smoothbore Artillery range seemed too short for the scale.
Players missed the regimental differences. This may have only been because the
battle was a 1864 one and most of the regiments were "regular" and Rifled musket
armed.

Once game started flowing only how to handle the "Built up area" became an issue
that had to be looked up multiple times. The Union had a half regiment in the
BUA. So you had a half unit and half fires in the BUA. That took a hit and went
to "regimental pined", can it shoot or when can it shoot. I still don't know.

Attaching officers. A player with only one regiment left in a brigade wanted to
attach to that regiment. His goal was to now move on 3 cards.
Sounded gamey but I let him do it.

Overall very well received and players are asking when the next fight is….


Mike

Mike:

   Thanks for writing.  I was going to respond, but I see that Chris has beaten
me too it.

Buck

--- In LookSargeNoCharts@yahoogroups.com, "masm6110" <masm6110@...> wrote:
>
> I ran my first game of LSNC:ACW over the weekend. I will post a battle report,
and maybe pictures later, but for now what to ask some questions and share some
observations.
<snip>
> Thanks
> Mike
>

LSNC:ACW  - "Second Kernstown"  Battle Report

The battle my friends and I fought was "Second Kernstown" from "Forward the
Colors" by Anderson and Toews.

Scenario Notes
July 24, 1864 Noon to 4:00PM

Confederate Forces
Early's Army is approaching from three directions south of Kernstown.
Gordon's Division at Noon entering on southern edge and moving North.
Wharton's Division at 1:00 entering on the eastern edge moving westward.
Ramseur's Division at 2:00 entering on southern edge far left and moving North

Union Forces
Third Division, both Brigades, deployed in and about Kernstown.
Second Division, First Brigade deployed Northeast of Kernstown.
First Division, both Brigades, deployed on Pritchard's Hill Northwest of
Kernstown.


The Battle
The battle started fast for the Confederates. Evan's Brigade, under Gordon, with
the divisional artillery went straight for Kernstown. York and Terry's Brigade,
under Gordon went for the outskirts of the town on the left of Evan.  Evan was
able to deploy both the brigade and divisional artillery without a problem and
promptly disintegrated part of the Union Second Brigade, Third Division.

York and Terry's Brigade, slowed by woods, started to assault the western the
outskirts of the town just as Wharton's Division entered from the east catching
the Union First Brigade of the Second Division on their flank. The Union troops
had been unaware of the Confederate reinforcements and advanced to the east of
Kernstown to attack Evan's Brigade.

After their initial surprise, the Union First Brigade of the Second Division was
very well handled and proceeded to counter and press an attack on Wharton's
entire Division.  All the while Kernstown's Union defenders held on against
Gordon.

The Union reserves were not idle, the corps artillery had been long range
shelling Terry's Brigade as it attacked the outskirts of the town. Terry's
Virginians broke and ran for cover leaving the attack on Kernstown from the west
up to York's Louisiana Boys.

The Union players started to lose heart as Ramseur's Division entered in road
column on the extreme left of the Confederate line. This was soon followed by
York and Evan's applying "Cold Steel" to the remaining units of the Union Third
Division.  The Union troops from the Third fell back but did not break.  All the
while the Union First Brigade of the Second Division was making life hell for
Wharton who had to deploy all three brigades of his Virginians and his
divisional artillery to counter them.

York and Evan's pressed their advantage on the Union Third Division, which
ceased to exist after some hellacious fire.  This freed up the Gordon's
Divisional artillery and it maneuvered in to position to assist Wharton with the
stubborn Union Second.  On the far Confederate left Ramseur's Division deployed
in line of battle to advance on the Union right defended by the First Brigade of
the First Division. This Union Division's ranks were filled with green recruits
from Ohio.

The combined assault on the Union Second, from no less than six batteries of
artillery and three brigades of infantry, finally broke them and opened the
Union left.

But not all was lost for the boys in blue. Once again the Union corps artillery
saved the day as it broke York's Brigade in the Confederate center. Gordon had
to press onward with just Evan and the remnants of Terry's Brigades against
Pritchard's Hill defended by the Second Brigade of the Union First Division and
the Union Corp artillery.

Time was now the greatest opponent facing the Confederates who had to attempt to
organize an assault up a defended hill.

Ramseur's Division slammed in to the Union right and the Ohio boys made a good
showing of it standing toe to toe with the seasoned veterans from Virginia and
North Carolina.

Then the unthinkable happened, Ramseur's entire division broke and ran.

Early called off the assault of Pritchard's Hill and decided to withdraw.


Marginal Union victory.


Will try to post pictures later.

Mike