Cite me a page reference that says dominated characters are not allies. That
interpretation creates all sorts of bad rulings, such as all of the powers that
grant an ally a saving throw can no longer target the character once they are
dominated. Incredibly unfair to the players, and makes dominate far more
powerful than it should be.

In fact, under a certain interpretation of the dominate power, one might argue
that the DM only gets to choose what at will power the chracter will use on his
initiative, not what free actions they can take, such as falling prone,
delaying, shouting to allies that a vampire is controlling them, etc. etc. I
happen to agree with the more general interpretation of dominate that the DM
chooses all the players actions until they save, but it's not clear at all from
the wording of the condition or of the power in question that this happens.

--- In LivingFR@yahoogroups.com, "Evan Miller" <evanmiller@...> wrote:
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Blaise Pittman" <johnlentesq@...>
> To: <LivingFR@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 10:46 AM
> Subject: [LivingFR] Re: So what happens when permission is not asked?
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> > Last week I had my first run in with this rule as a DM, a character was
> > dominated and other characters thought they could easily drop that
> > character to 0 hit points in one round, without him getting to act, as
> > opposed to letting him wait around for several rounds to make his save
> > (which as it played out was accurate - he only had 30 HP, but in fact
> > failed to save for 3 rounds). I told the players they could not attack
> > him without his permission, and since he was having a grand old time pew
> > pew lasering the heck out of his friends, he of course did not give them
> > permission.
> >
> >
>
> You adjudicated this wrong. A dominated player is not an ally as they are
> under control of the DM. No permission is needed. If that were the case,
> the Dominated PC would have to ask permission of the other player to attack
> them as well.
>
> Evan
>