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So what happens when permission is not asked?   Message List  
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Re: What's wrong with the RPGA?

--- In LivingFR@yahoogroups.com, Robert Wiese <robwiese8@...> wrote:
>
> That's easy. The melee PC's player is more wrong, because he is ruining the
other player's fun AND KNOWS IT. By making the other PC ineffective, he is
denying the blaster PC's player a chance to contribute and feel good about the
game. The melee PC's player is more selfish.
>

In all of the hypotheticals, everyone is assuming that the melee
PC is deliberately choosing to be there. This is not always true nor
in the original example was that the posited case. All that was asked
was what happens if a player targets another player without
permission. This might have resulted from a melee player going
in without "permission from the blasters in the party ...

... AND IS UNIMPORTANT. There is no rule that says that PCs have to
get permission to do a thing in an LFR game. ONLY that they get
permission IF they are going to hurt another PC. So the only person
who is wrong is the Blaster/Wizard/Sorceror/FIGHTER that tries
to damage his fellow PCs without getting permission TO DO SO.

> In my group, I target friends no matter what, if it makes the most sense,
because I can heal allies. But if someone is a real prick, then I tend to let
them fend for themselves in combat and don't heal them if they need it.
>

So you'll only be a team player if the team is being good to you?
And you'll take it out on the team if they aren't?

And that is why I can safely say I hope I don't play with you. If you
decide that you want to be 5 years old and throw a tantrum because
someone took your toys away, feel free. But you don't have to do it
near me.

joe

PS - Can an admin please close this thread, it is clear that it is
just going nowhere.




Mon Jul 6, 2009 5:30 pm

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That's easy. The melee PC's player is more wrong, because he is ruining the other player's fun AND KNOWS IT. By making the other PC ineffective, he is denying...
Robert Wiese
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Jul 6, 2009
5:11 pm

... In all of the hypotheticals, everyone is assuming that the melee PC is deliberately choosing to be there. This is not always true nor in the original...
rangercoric
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Jul 6, 2009
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Actually, the whole point of the posited example was that the melee PC knowingly entered a blast area. If that had not been the case, then the blaster PC is...
Robert Wiese
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Jul 6, 2009
5:49 pm

... Yep, we call this "paying the stupid tax." After allowing selfish players do whatever they want and nearly getting my PC (plus those of my party) killed...
Bryan Blumklotz
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Jul 6, 2009
6:53 pm

... The player you're describing and the player whose comment I previously responded to do not seem to bear a lot of similarity ( to me). To be fair, in...
rangercoric
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Jul 6, 2009
8:02 pm

... Joe, you are missing the point. This is not about being a dick (if you are going to say it, say it. Substituting an "*" doesn't make it better). I can't...
Bryan Blumklotz
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Jul 6, 2009
9:34 pm

well said Bryan...there is only so far you can go to help people. ... From: Bryan Blumklotz To: LivingFR@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 10:34 PM ...
Ian Hayward
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Jul 6, 2009
10:01 pm

Just my two cents....   (This also goes for the other thread as well, the one about "asking for permission.")   While you're waiting to file your "stupid...
Dave McNabb
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Jul 7, 2009
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... Yes, but you didn't need to, and probably shouldn't have. The original question (where I stepped in, anyway) brought to light an interesting discussion...
Robert Wiese
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Jul 7, 2009
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Robert, You said this way better than I could. And yes, I didn't just abandon the Pal4/Monk1 to his fate in my example. I talked with him for 3 rounds of...
Bryan Blumklotz
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Jul 7, 2009
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... True in principle, but the substituion might make the email less likely to be flagged by spam filters and firewalls. Xan Ophis...
kaililitu
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Jul 7, 2009
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... Such tricks by spammers to avoid filters are aggravating. Using the same tricks on this list should be seen as just another attempt to slip things past...
tombollis
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Jul 7, 2009
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... If you weren't a noob, you would recognize that Robert was previously the head of the RPGA at a time when the RPGA was a much more enjoyable organization...
sieylianna
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Jul 7, 2009
8:35 pm

... the head of the RPGA at a time when the RPGA was a much more enjoyable organization than it is these days. The irony, it is thick. joe...
rangercoric
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Jul 7, 2009
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Amen to everything but the noob comment that Ed just posted. Troy The Moderator Post trimmed out of repect to digest readers. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile...
Troy E. Daniels
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Jul 7, 2009
8:41 pm

... By default - both are being jerks. It's a TEAM GAME - it states as much in several places, so any character who prioritizes their enjoyment above and at...
G. Dustin Snyder
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Jul 6, 2009
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Dan, The argument you present is essentially like two drivers on the Freeway...one is going the speed limit and is in the number one lane, the other wants to...
conquestsf
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Jul 6, 2009
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You can try to argue this until you are blue in the face. If you think you can blast willy nilly "because the CCG doesn't say you have to have permission" you...
Evan Miller
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Jul 6, 2009
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Sorry to be nitpicky, but if the second car is behind him, he technically can't be speeding. Wanting to go faster isn't Illegal. Though, in Oz not keeping...
Martin Low
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... From: "conquestsf" <avalon@...> To: <LivingFR@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: [LivingFR] Re: What's wrong with...
Evan Miller
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Neither is. They are both just wrong. There is no shades of wrong. One is wrong because they're being a jerk. The other is wrong because they're being a...
Evan Miller
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7:14 pm

Normally I'd cut this message a bit, but it deserves the thread for line of thinking. A blaster has range, and an ability to law out devestating damage while...
Jack Warren
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Jul 7, 2009
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That's been happening since waaaaay before 4e. And not just with D&D. Another 4e = WoW analogy myth busted. Evan ... From: THORN013@... To:...
Evan Miller
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Jul 5, 2009
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In most MMO games player characters are completely immune to damage caused by other players including blasts and area attacks. It doesn't make sense but it...
old_oeridians
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Jul 5, 2009
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I think people are missing the real problem here: What happens if the *DM* doesn't give you permission to attack his characters? :) On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 9:08...
Notorious DMG
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Jul 5, 2009
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... "If you are in control of your character and have an attack that includes PCs in its effect, always ask the players controlling the affected characters if...
tombollis
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Jul 5, 2009
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The rule would make no sense at all if you had to ask permission, but did not have to get the permission...where did you learn how to read? -Gortex Begin...
Gortex
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Jul 5, 2009
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Last week I had my first run in with this rule as a DM, a character was dominated and other characters thought they could easily drop that character to 0 hit...
Blaise Pittman
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Jul 6, 2009
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... It's always been my understanding/interpretation that once you're dominated you are effectively an NPC - if I were DMing that table, I'd rule the players...
G. Dustin Snyder
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Jul 6, 2009
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Is this conversation going anywhere?...
Jake Fitch
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