Logic means it belongs in the Digest, not here?  Hilarious Jeff!

If BHT ate thousands of sentient beings per year, they, not the
Lunar Empire, would be the hated evil enemy of the Heortlings.

Added The Witch Cult in Western Prax and the Wastelands - Four Documents by
Doyle Wayne Ramos-Tavener

Oliver
http://www.geocities.com/bernuetz/mything/mything.html

Hi

Does anyone know if a copy of Gerald Bosch's Trade in Genertela is
available anywhere? It used to be on Loren Miller's website, but that
is no longer available.

Kind regards

Jeremy


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I checked the Wayback machine where parts of Loren's site are archived but
unfortunately that article's not there.

Oliver
-----Original Message-----
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To: HeroWars@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HeroWars] Gerald Bosch's Trade in Genertela


Hi

Does anyone know if a copy of Gerald Bosch's Trade in Genertela is
available anywhere? It used to be on Loren Miller's website, but that
is no longer available.

Kind regards

Jeremy


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Hi friends

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I also checked the Runequest Daily which is where it should be but it looks
like that section of the Daily is missing.  I found references to it and
think I know where it should be but there's parts of that Daily missing.

Oliver
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To: HeroWars@yahoogroups.com
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I checked the Wayback machine where parts of Loren's site are archived but
unfortunately that article's not there.

Oliver
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Hi

Does anyone know if a copy of Gerald Bosch's Trade in Genertela is
available anywhere? It used to be on Loren Miller's website, but that
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Kind regards

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Mikko Rintasaari wrote:
>
> I wonder if we could get together a posse for this... I'm game and I
> come with a nifty artist attatched   =D

I've been playing around with ideas for a Troll demon-cult. (I'd originally
thought of it as a mystic path, but mysticism's been kicked down the road
some...) anyway, I'd definitely like to help out.

--AMS

"morganconrad <morganconrad@...>" <morganconrad@...>
writes:

>If BHT ate thousands of sentient beings per year, they, not the
>Lunar Empire, would be the hated evil enemy of the Heortlings.

Maybe it can be symbolic?

"Of course we feed human flesh to our demon steeds! Well, actually we
take a sack of oats, dress it up in human clothing and the liturgist
casts a Transubstantiation blessing* on it, but that turns the oats
into human flesh! Really! Yes I know they still look like oats, but
that's because you're not looking at them with the proper magical
sight!"

Feeding the horses _actual_ human flesh would, in this case, be a very
rare, unusual, Heroquesty thing to do.

Stephen
* "This is my flesh..."

e-g@... wrote:
> "morganconrad <morganconrad@...>" <morganconrad@...>
> writes:
>
>> If BHT ate thousands of sentient beings per year, they, not the
>> Lunar Empire, would be the hated evil enemy of the Heortlings.
>
> Maybe it can be symbolic?

Or perhaps a drop of the rider's blood, in the horse's mash, is sufficient.
Yeah, I think we've got to think laterally about this.

--AMS, who eats human flesh every Sunday

Ian

>  As for stirrups in Glorantha: If the Pentans have them, which seems
>  plausible, the Empire might well have adopted them during Sheng
>  Seleris's occupation.

While Fortunate Succession p.93 is unclear as to exactly when
stirrups were introduced (probably post-Dawn), it is clear that they
exist in Glorantha.

(The big technology that doesn't exist in Glorantha is the stern
rudder. No ship has anything better than a steering oar.)

Peter's reference to "Dunbadal stood in his stirrups" may be an
indication that stirrups come from the West, but it could be an
anachronism. (Is there another reference to the Western origin?) In
any case, I suspect stirrups are widespread, and if anyone doesn't
use them, it's for mythic reasons (perhaps the Galanini of Ralios
don't).

In fact, the Black Horse Troop might not use them because they don't
ride horses, and the steeds might object.


Jeff

>  I really think the Riders are more superfluious than a player
> character might to admit.

Indeed, I played in a Robin Laws game where you played the mount. The
Rider was just a replaceable Follower.
--

David Dunham
Glorantha/HW/RQ page: <http://www.pensee.com/dunham/glorantha.html>
Imagination is more important than knowledge. -- Albert Einstein

At 05:07 PM 1/3/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>indication that stirrups come from the West, but it could be an

Stirrups are from the West.

--------
Greg Stafford, greg@...
Issaries, Inc.
P.O. Box 272914  Concord, CA 94527 (510) 524-7619
Publisher of HeroQuest, Roleplaying in Glorantha   See our site at:
<www.glorantha.com>

Friends,

>From whence this assumption of 3500 Black Horse troopers?
If it is based on WB&RM (or DP) unit counters then it's wrong. These
counters are not 500 riders each, but each unit is the equivalent of 500
men. I'd say there are probably no more than 100 each.
As far as diet, yea, they eat people. Not our good Atroxic people, but
slaves, captives, invaders and anyone else what we want to eat from far
afield.
And they eat cows, deer, demons, things from the Otherworlds as well. Oh
yea, and their own riders if they are desperate.

Don't think these are big horses with riders. They are demons that defy
known rules of logic and fantasy both!

And let us just thank Atrox for the bounty that the farmers get.


--------
Greg Stafford, greg@...
Issaries, Inc.
P.O. Box 272914  Concord, CA 94527 (510) 524-7619
Publisher of HeroQuest, Roleplaying in Glorantha   See our site at:
<www.glorantha.com>

> >From whence this assumption of 3500 Black Horse troopers?
> If it is based on WB&RM (or DP) unit counters then it's wrong. These
> counters are not 500 riders each, but each unit is the equivalent of 500
> men. I'd say there are probably no more than 100 each.

Well, it would have been nice to have been corrected back when I wrote the
bit in HW that people are quoting...

(HW 94 &  96 is where the 3500 figure comes up)

RR

Aaaaand that should have gone to Greg instead of the list. Everyone who
isn't Greg, forget you ever read it.

RR

--- In HeroWars@yahoogroups.com, Greg Stafford <Greg@g...> wrote:
> Friends,
>

> And they eat cows, deer, demons, things from the Otherworlds as
well.
>

>
>
> --------
>

Maybe since they're otherworldly creatures they eat mostly other
otherworldly creatures.

Peter Tracy says:

> What I've always wanted was a collection of all these crazy maps (I
> started a photocopied folder), to flick thru and what not.
>
I have a web page that lists gloranthan maps from around the web, but it
is about six months out of date. If you are interested:

http://kpmcdona.home.mindspring.com/glorantha/

Happy hunting!

Just recently, I got a permission from the original owner, Loren
Miller.

Gerald Bosch's Trade of Glorantha
http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/~BLUEMAGI/QAtrade.htm

Regards:
TI


> Oliver
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bernuetz, Oliver: WPG
> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 3:38 PM
> To: HeroWars@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [HeroWars] Gerald Bosch's Trade in Genertela
>
>
> I checked the Wayback machine where parts of Loren's site are
archived but
> unfortunately that article's not there.
>
> Oliver
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeremy Baker [mailto:jeremybaker@m...]
> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 3:27 PM
> To: HeroWars@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [HeroWars] Gerald Bosch's Trade in Genertela
>
>
> Hi
>
> Does anyone know if a copy of Gerald Bosch's Trade in Genertela is
> available anywhere? It used to be on Loren Miller's website, but
that
> is no longer available.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------
> Eala Earendel Engla Beortast
> Ofer Middangeard Monnum Sended
>
> www.towerhills.com
>
>

Interesting, for I was just talking with Martin for the eastfaring of
Syranthir and Carmanian warfare, Greg.

Please check my latest e-mail if you didn't.

I hope this year will be good for everyone and Glorantha!

--- In HeroWars@yahoogroups.com, Greg Stafford <Greg@g...> wrote:
> At 05:07 PM 1/3/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >indication that stirrups come from the West, but it could be an
>
> Stirrups are from the West.
>
> --------

I added the bookmarks of "Trade in Glorantha" and "Timelines of
Glorantha" in the Links page.

TI

--- Roderick and Ellen Robertson
<rjremr@...> wrote:

>  Everyone who
> isn't Greg, forget you ever read it.

What, including the useful page reference? I was about
to go and look it up (never had an interest in the
those demon horses before).



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In a message dated 04/01/03 02:33:34 GMT Standard Time,
HeroWars@yahoogroups.com writes:

<<  Maybe it can be symbolic?

  Or perhaps a drop of the rider's blood, in the horse's mash, is sufficient.
  Yeah, I think we've got to think laterally about this.

  --AMS, who eats human flesh every Sunday
   >>

Perhaps sometimes, in hostile territory, the Demon horses put human flesh in
their nosebags and say to their employers:"yes, this is just oats"

Keith

Best wishes to everyone on the list for Sacred Time and the New Year.

2003 is the Year of the Empire. Let's party!

To start the celebrations, we expect Moon Rites back from the printers any
day now.

Like a Crimson Bat with a bad case of the munchies, Moon Rites is seventy
two pages of Lunar myth and mystery.

Focusing on the Empire and its subjugation of the barbarian nations of the
extremity, Moon Rites features articles, fiction, scenarios and artwork from
some of Glorantha's most talented explorers and shapers.

You can learn much more about Moon Rites at

http://home.iprimus.com.au/pipnjim/moonrites/

Moon Rites is a fundraiser for Gloranthacon VII, and has been produced in
conjunction with the Chaos Society, proud publishers of Trade Talk and other
fine Gloranthan works.

Pre-order copies of Moon Rites are available for $13 USD or $21 CDN. If you
preorder, we will pay postage and handling for all North American orders.
The print run for Moon Rites is strictly limited, so place your order now!

(Of course 1625 *isn't* such a good year for the Empire. But that's a whole
other book...)

John

____________________________________________
nysalor@...                 John Hughes
Questlines: http://home.iprimus.com.au/pipnjim/questlines/


Few bows will be stretched and not many will be
the slings, when Ares at last brings war
into the plain. The brutal work will be for swords.
Our enemy yonder are masters of such warfare,
lords of Euboia, famed for their spears.

- Archilochus of Paros.

>e-g@... wrote:
>>  "morganconrad <morganconrad@...>" <morganconrad@...>
>>  writes:
>>
>>>  If BHT ate thousands of sentient beings per year, they, not the
>>>  Lunar Empire, would be the hated evil enemy of the Heortlings.
>>
>>  Maybe it can be symbolic?
>
>Or perhaps a drop of the rider's blood, in the horse's mash, is sufficient.
>Yeah, I think we've got to think laterally about this.

Since the steeds are Darkness creatures the problem may be less in
finding adequate food (they may eat almost anything) than in keeping
control of their appetites - and in keeping up morale while the
steeds are restricted to less tasty foodstuffs.
--
--
"The T'ang emperors were strong believers in the pills of
immortality.  More emperors died of poisoning from ingesting minerals
in the T'ang than in any other dynasty" - Eva Wong _The Shambhala
Guide to Taoism_

Paul K.

On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Greg Stafford wrote:

Thank you Greg. This is just the sort of detail we love to hear of.

	 -Adept : who seems not to have been far of with his figures

> Friends,
>
> >From whence this assumption of 3500 Black Horse troopers?
> If it is based on WB&RM (or DP) unit counters then it's wrong. These
> counters are not 500 riders each, but each unit is the equivalent of 500
> men. I'd say there are probably no more than 100 each.
> As far as diet, yea, they eat people. Not our good Atroxic people, but
> slaves, captives, invaders and anyone else what we want to eat from far
> afield.
> And they eat cows, deer, demons, things from the Otherworlds as well. Oh
> yea, and their own riders if they are desperate.
>
> Don't think these are big horses with riders. They are demons that defy
> known rules of logic and fantasy both!
>
> And let us just thank Atrox for the bounty that the farmers get.

On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Roderick and Ellen Robertson wrote:

> Aaaaand that should have gone to Greg instead of the list. Everyone who
> isn't Greg, forget you ever read it.
>
> RR

For what it's worth, I think it's more important that things make sense,
than to cling to the previously written word.

	 -Adept : in favour of Gregging where needed

Hiya Fabian

I want to come to Tentacles this year but don't want to take advantage of
the residential membership (actually, Jamie MacLaren and I want to bring our
wives who don't role-play), so we'll be staying in Bacharach in a hotel,
like last time.

The cost for Tentacles on your website doesn't detail how much it will be to
have non-residential membership, could you email the non-residential price
to me?

Many thanks, Happy New Year! Looking forward to seeing you again in June!

Matthew Cole

oops, sorry all. that was supposed to go directly to Fabian!

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Cole [mailto:matthew.cole@...]
Sent: 04 January 2003 16:14
To: HeroWars@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [HeroWars] Tentacles Extravaganza!

> <<  Maybe it can be symbolic?
>
>  Or perhaps a drop of the rider's blood, in the horse's mash, is
sufficient.
>  Yeah, I think we've got to think laterally about this.
>
> Perhaps sometimes, in hostile territory, the Demon horses put human flesh
in
> their nosebags and say to their employers:"yes, this is just oats"

I like my theory that they only need to eat after great exertion (say, a
battle, or a long hell-ride), and that there is a "no prisoners, don't even
bother to ask what we did with them" clause in all Sir E's mercenary
contracts...

RR

Yes! At last Tales of the Reaching Moon #20 is heaving into sight.

Rick sez it's published and will ship next week to various
distributors. Huzzah!

It is the last ever issue of Tales of the Reaching Moon. Boo-hoo!

This is also your last chance to pick up Reaching Moon Megacorp and
other Gloranthan products at amazing discounts.

That's because I'm off to the land of Drop Bears and Kangerbroos in
March 2003, possibly for ever and ever. So any orders for products
MUST get to me before the end of February! After that, I'm gone...

Check out www.etyries.com for the all the latest products and prices:
http://www.btinternet.com/~nick_brooke/products/index.htm
(You can pre-order/reserve a copy of Tales #20 with your order.)

Tales subscribers please check you've told me your latest address.
The print-run for Tales is much reduced.

If you have any questions (or information on how to avoid chaotic
drop bears) contact me on davidandkaty@... or hodirson@...

All Empires Fall!

Cheers,

David Hall
Editor, Tales of the Reaching Moon

> >  Everyone who
> > isn't Greg, forget you ever read it.
>
> What, including the useful page reference? I was about
> to go and look it up (never had an interest in the
> those demon horses before).

Of course! That's super secret GameMaster informa...  wait, this isn't
*that* game. Okay, you can remember the page numbers. :-)

RR