Typically, the requirement for promotion that is enforced at PRB's is
Time in Grade and the limit on 2 promotions per game year (or 1
promotion to Officer ranks).
Commendations are the method by which you can "self-promote" following
the guidelines in the Military Meta-org docs. They are not a
requirement for PRB's, typically.
Ed P.
Military POC
*I say "typically" because the rules for PRB's are subject to change
(though unlikely).
________________________________
From: GranMarch@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:GranMarch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave L.
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 5:47 PM
To: GranMarch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [GranMarch] Re: Next PRB?
Paige, if I can make EconoCon (I think I can) then I would be
interested in bringing Edgar to the PRB just for the
experience...
However, he does not have enough commendations for promotion
yet, and
I suspect he will not have them by EconoCon (he needs several,
and
there's only one Year 6 mod he still hasn't played). It is my
understanding that he needs the requisite number of
commendations in
order to get a promotion even at a PRB. I'm not sure if he can
do the
PRB anyway, understanding that he will not really get promoted,
or if
he'd be laughed at and ridiculed (or worse!) for being silly and
wasting the officers' time and so forth...
(Also, I'm expecting to miss Dragon*Con this year, and I don't
travel
for regional cons often, and usually usually when I do it's
because I
get to go to another region... So I'm not sure when would be the
next
time I could go to a PRB if not at EconoCon.)
-- Dave L.
--- In GranMarch@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:GranMarch%40yahoogroups.com> , Scorpienne <scorpienne@...>
wrote:
>
> On 1/31/07, aeontrin <aeontrin@...> wrote:
> > Paige, you want one at EconoCon?
>
> I have had two people request one so far. It sounds like there
are
> perhaps one or two more interested parties.
>
> IMHO, a PRB with less than about 6-10 people is not so much
fun, and
> generally not worth the considerable and uncompensated effort
of the
> people who organize them. If there are a number of additional
folks
> who want a PRB at Econo, then email me privately. If we hit a
> critical mass of interested persons by February 20th, then I
would
> like the option to offer one at EconoCon.
>
> However...
>
> Please note that traditionally there are opportunites for
military
> advancement at DragonCon, usually as part of a BI. Given that,
the
> other Georgia cons typically do *not* offer PRBs because we
don't want
> to give an appearance that Georgia cons are hogging the PRBs.
If my
> fellow GRM con coordinators would prefer that there NOT be a
PRB at
> EconoCon, then please email me privately.
>
> Paige
>
> --
> Scorpienne
> scorpienne at gmail dot com
> www dot scorpienne dot freeservers dot com
>
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Paige, if I can make EconoCon (I think I can) then I would be
interested in bringing Edgar to the PRB just for the experience...
However, he does not have enough commendations for promotion yet, and
I suspect he will not have them by EconoCon (he needs several, and
there's only one Year 6 mod he still hasn't played). It is my
understanding that he needs the requisite number of commendations in
order to get a promotion even at a PRB. I'm not sure if he can do the
PRB anyway, understanding that he will not really get promoted, or if
he'd be laughed at and ridiculed (or worse!) for being silly and
wasting the officers' time and so forth...
(Also, I'm expecting to miss Dragon*Con this year, and I don't travel
for regional cons often, and usually usually when I do it's because I
get to go to another region... So I'm not sure when would be the next
time I could go to a PRB if not at EconoCon.)
-- Dave L.
--- In GranMarch@yahoogroups.com, Scorpienne <scorpienne@...> wrote:
>
> On 1/31/07, aeontrin <aeontrin@...> wrote:
> > Paige, you want one at EconoCon?
>
> I have had two people request one so far. It sounds like there are
> perhaps one or two more interested parties.
>
> IMHO, a PRB with less than about 6-10 people is not so much fun, and
> generally not worth the considerable and uncompensated effort of the
> people who organize them. If there are a number of additional folks
> who want a PRB at Econo, then email me privately. If we hit a
> critical mass of interested persons by February 20th, then I would
> like the option to offer one at EconoCon.
>
> However...
>
> Please note that traditionally there are opportunites for military
> advancement at DragonCon, usually as part of a BI. Given that, the
> other Georgia cons typically do *not* offer PRBs because we don't want
> to give an appearance that Georgia cons are hogging the PRBs. If my
> fellow GRM con coordinators would prefer that there NOT be a PRB at
> EconoCon, then please email me privately.
>
> Paige
>
> --
> Scorpienne
> scorpienne at gmail dot com
> www dot scorpienne dot freeservers dot com
>
--- SherrieARC@... wrote:
> I do not know if one is planned for Con Carolinas - if so, I have not
> been asked to help.
Historically, I've been asked if I want a PRB for ConCarolinas about
6 weeks before the show. Since my involvement is obtaining space and
the getting out of the way, I haven't had a problem accepting.
> I think doing one in SC would be a good idea for a change.
If there's the critical mass of candidates for it. Heck, if I'm
not running the show, I might even have time to read some materials and
see if Bardock can get a promotion. {OK, everybody can stop laughing
now.}
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--- In GranMarch@yahoogroups.com, Scorpienne <scorpienne@...> wrote:
>
> On 1/31/07, Clint Fishback <beowulfe@...> wrote:
> > Yeah, you had your choice of Solmyr or Gustav. Look how that worked
> > out. ;)
> >
> > Clint
>
> I'd take Solmyr as a military officer over Gustav *any* day of the
> week and twice on Sunday.
Yes, but isn't Sunday the day that the military lets most members rest
without duty unless something exceptional happens? ;)
Of course, it's a moot point now, as the only people that Solmyr
commands are those in the work gangs. Probably the Rushmoors.
GH
On 1/31/07, Clint Fishback <beowulfe@...> wrote:
> Yeah, you had your choice of Solmyr or Gustav. Look how that worked
> out. ;)
>
> Clint
I'd take Solmyr as a military officer over Gustav *any* day of the
week and twice on Sunday.
Paige
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That was the essense of my question. What about PCs from other
regions in general? I'm sure there's some Yeo and PoU PCs with the
curse along with who knows what other regions. I agree with the
suggestion that either they accept the remove curse or be unable to
play mod.
Clint
--- In GranMarch@yahoogroups.com, "Sean" <logan40k@...> wrote:
>
> --- In GranMarch@yahoogroups.com, "aeontrin" <aeontrin@> wrote:
> <snip>
> > What would the Geoff Triad want to see happen for their players?
I
> > know we here just want it out of here.
> <snip>
>
> Well as I mentioned somewhere else, I am ambivalent on the curse. I
> know a great many folks did get it removed and if it goes away I am
> fine with it. Unfortunately since Remove Curse allows a Save and SR,
> someone no doubt would make the DM roll.
>
> I would say, just not let PCs who refuse to be 'cured' play in the
> mod. They are essentially turned back at the border. There is
> precedent for it and we (Geoff Triad) can explain the situation on
our
> board and let folks know ahead of time the consequences. With a lil
> forethought I seriously doubt it will be an issue, which is why I
came
> here to discuss it.
>
> Sean
> Geoff Trid
>
--- In GranMarch@yahoogroups.com, "aeontrin" <aeontrin@...> wrote:
<snip>
> What would the Geoff Triad want to see happen for their players? I
> know we here just want it out of here.
<snip>
Well as I mentioned somewhere else, I am ambivalent on the curse. I
know a great many folks did get it removed and if it goes away I am
fine with it. Unfortunately since Remove Curse allows a Save and SR,
someone no doubt would make the DM roll.
I would say, just not let PCs who refuse to be 'cured' play in the
mod. They are essentially turned back at the border. There is
precedent for it and we (Geoff Triad) can explain the situation on our
board and let folks know ahead of time the consequences. With a lil
forethought I seriously doubt it will be an issue, which is why I came
here to discuss it.
Sean
Geoff Trid
--- In GranMarch@yahoogroups.com, "Sean" <logan40k@...> wrote:
>
> Ok just for the record, when my players start bit... er asking :)
There's one in every crowd. :0
> about the situation, the curse is going to be forcibly removed from
> the PC whether they like it or not? If they do not like it, how does
> it affect the PC? Are they banned from the March or are they arrested
> and thrown in jail?
What would the Geoff Triad want to see happen for their players? I
know we here just want it out of here.
>
> Also, removal of the curse costs the cursed PC nothing, correct? No
> money and no TU's? Just boom, curse is gone, here is your Cert.
No gp, xp, or TUs involved. Just get the Cert.
Later,
Will
>
> Thanks
>
> Sean
> Geoff Trid
>
Ok just for the record, when my players start bit... er asking :)
about the situation, the curse is going to be forcibly removed from
the PC whether they like it or not? If they do not like it, how does
it affect the PC? Are they banned from the March or are they arrested
and thrown in jail?
Also, removal of the curse costs the cursed PC nothing, correct? No
money and no TU's? Just boom, curse is gone, here is your Cert.
Thanks
Sean
Geoff Trid
I stand firm in my decision.
:-)
-----Original Message-----
From: beowulfe@...
To: GranMarch@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 1:58 PM
Subject: [GranMarch] Re: Next PRB?
Yeah, you had your choice of Solmyr or Gustav. Look how that worked
out. ;)
Clint
--- In GranMarch@yahoogroups.com, SherrieARC@... wrote:
>
> Technically - only one of the Dragon Con PRBs was tied directly to
the BI. The other two followed the much more "standardized" format.
>
> In the past, they have tried to divide them between Georgia and
NC. Although the first (and largest) was in SC :-)
>
> Con Carolinas in Charlotte NC has had PRB for three years running.
That has been the spring location.
>
> Dragon Con has the summer. (Atlanta GA)
>
> MACE in High Point NC is in November - and a PRB has been there for
3 years in a row.
>
> Trust me - doing more than 3 a year is too much. Frankly - last
year, 3 was too many. IMHO.
>
> I do not know if one is planned for Con Carolinas - if so, I have
not been asked to help.
>
> I think doing one in SC would be a good idea for a change.
>
> Just my 2 cents. That have nothing to do with Solmyr. Although we
promoted him to LT at the Con Carolinas PRB. :-)
>
> Sherrie Masdon
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Caught two; waiting for confirmation on the third.
Later,
Will
--- In GranMarch@yahoogroups.com, "George Harris" <GeorgeFHarris@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In GranMarch@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Jungers" <jungers@> wrote:
> >
> > I can see the difficulty in applying this across the whole of
the
> > Sheldomar. I'd think though that the Commandant's edict could be
> > enforced upon anyone coming into Gran March bearing such a curse.
> >
> > Much like those happy Malagari guys down Keoland-way & their
> > 'reconditioning' program.
> >
> > Joe
>
> I'm sure that if our triad talks to the Keoland triad, the Keoland
> triad can have the KotM look for people that have a black eye and
> strong transmutation and strong divination emanations, they can
> always give them the choice of going to the Gran March and have the
> curse removed or being "reconditioned".
>
> Also, my records show that the curse could have been picked up in
any
> of the 3 following (retired) modules:
>
> GRM3-03 Shades of the Past
> GRM3-07 Rustling in the Reeds
> SHE5-01 Sounds of Silence
>
> GH
>
--- In GranMarch@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Jungers" <jungers@...> wrote:
>
> I can see the difficulty in applying this across the whole of the
> Sheldomar. I'd think though that the Commandant's edict could be
> enforced upon anyone coming into Gran March bearing such a curse.
>
> Much like those happy Malagari guys down Keoland-way & their
> 'reconditioning' program.
>
> Joe
I'm sure that if our triad talks to the Keoland triad, the Keoland
triad can have the KotM look for people that have a black eye and
strong transmutation and strong divination emanations, they can
always give them the choice of going to the Gran March and have the
curse removed or being "reconditioned".
Also, my records show that the curse could have been picked up in any
of the 3 following (retired) modules:
GRM3-03 Shades of the Past
GRM3-07 Rustling in the Reeds
SHE5-01 Sounds of Silence
GH
Yeah, you had your choice of Solmyr or Gustav. Look how that worked
out. ;)
Clint
--- In GranMarch@yahoogroups.com, SherrieARC@... wrote:
>
> Technically - only one of the Dragon Con PRBs was tied directly to
the BI. The other two followed the much more "standardized" format.
>
> In the past, they have tried to divide them between Georgia and
NC. Although the first (and largest) was in SC :-)
>
> Con Carolinas in Charlotte NC has had PRB for three years running.
That has been the spring location.
>
> Dragon Con has the summer. (Atlanta GA)
>
> MACE in High Point NC is in November - and a PRB has been there for
3 years in a row.
>
> Trust me - doing more than 3 a year is too much. Frankly - last
year, 3 was too many. IMHO.
>
> I do not know if one is planned for Con Carolinas - if so, I have
not been asked to help.
>
> I think doing one in SC would be a good idea for a change.
>
> Just my 2 cents. That have nothing to do with Solmyr. Although we
promoted him to LT at the Con Carolinas PRB. :-)
>
> Sherrie Masdon
Oh great - I can see the posts coming now...
- From those concerned about personal freedoms: So, the Triad has, in it's
infinite wisdom, authorized the Gran March government and churches to commit
BATTERY against all the unwilling Gran March inhabitants who do not want
this non-harmful, curse-removing spell cast upon them?
- From those concerned about jurisdiction: Will Gran March clergy PCs be
ordered to remove the curse from fellow PCs? What if my clergy PC isn't in
the military? Is that an illegal order? If so, to whom should I report
it? What if the PC refuses to have the curse removed? Is that considered
PVP contact?
- From James: A 40-page dissertation on all the ways this violates Gran
March law and philosophical precedent, along with a request to use favors to
report the Commandant to the King of Keoland for violating said laws and
precedent...
:-) This is my one and only contribution to this outrageously long thread.
If you can't see that the posts above are meant as humor, there's no hope
for you. Let's all get back to less serious matters now, shall we?
Regards,
Brett King
AKA Barass Gradnor, Jade Dragon, Father Horatio Hyde
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Technically - only one of the Dragon Con PRBs was tied directly to the BI. The
other two followed the much more "standardized" format.
In the past, they have tried to divide them between Georgia and NC. Although
the first (and largest) was in SC :-)
Con Carolinas in Charlotte NC has had PRB for three years running. That has
been the spring location.
Dragon Con has the summer. (Atlanta GA)
MACE in High Point NC is in November - and a PRB has been there for 3 years in a
row.
Trust me - doing more than 3 a year is too much. Frankly - last year, 3 was too
many. IMHO.
I do not know if one is planned for Con Carolinas - if so, I have not been asked
to help.
I think doing one in SC would be a good idea for a change.
Just my 2 cents. That have nothing to do with Solmyr. Although we promoted him
to LT at the Con Carolinas PRB. :-)
Sherrie Masdon
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From: scorpienne@...
To: GranMarch@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [GranMarch] Re: Next PRB?
On 1/31/07, Waltman, Dennis <paul.waltman@...> wrote:
> I have received no scenario outline or request for an Interactive for
> EconoCon
That is because the Con Coordinator (namely me) is not interested in
the least in having one this year. Thank you, but no.
Paige
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> Commandant Vrianian woke up in a cold sweat.
Hah! :D
I actually laughed out loud (in a good way) when I
read the new interlude; it was the first post I've
read on this board in a long time that has actually
made me smile!
This interlude and the comments that followed it
demonstrates that:
1.) The Triad is willing to listen.
2.) The Triad is willing to be accountable.
3.) The Triad is willing to be flexible and change its
mind when the player base has been upset.
My faith in our leaders is greatly bolstered.
Thanks ever so much,
:)
~Seth
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I have read every post so far on this thread (including many after this
one) and figured I might as well weigh in with a viewpoint. However, it
is not specifically in relation to Solmyr or Thumbs. While I,
personally, feel that James was in his rights to approach the Senior GM
of the show, and then follow said Senior GM's suggestion, I was not
involved in the discussion until after the fact, and do not have the
benefit of all the information, as it was available, with which to say
that he doesn't deserve some sort of sanction.
What I find somewhat ironic is the continued argument that JPB is being
punished because he was *actively* trying to cause permanent harm to
another player, because said player would have one of his PC's
*theoretically* out of game for 52 TU's. This, after at least one table
of Chrystal Clear resulted in two players suffering in-game consequences
for arguably good intents and actions (being accused and convicted of a
crime, resulting in 6 TU's lost) because a player had his PC report
actions that occurred within a demi-plane. Now, that particular
instance was slightly different in that the DM in question requested the
Triad to intervene (well, one judge *was* triad and another triad member
happened to be present) with some sort of resolution. However, the
player who reported the incident must have known that it would result in
other players suffering consequences that could eventually lead to loss
of play time. However, said player had is PC make said report, and
suffered absolutely no consequences for doing so.
To me, it appears that the two situations are similar enough that it is
highly suspicious that in one case, the aggrieved party was the
perpetrators of the crime and in the other, the aggrieved party was the
player reporting what he felt was a crime against his person.
In the particular case in question, Player A made it perfectly clear
that he did not wish to have Player B's PC cast any magics granted by
Deity 5 on his PC. Regardless of the situation, for Player B to then
cast said magics is wrong. To say that Player B was within his rights
because there was a "threatened situation" is to assume that Player B
was better able to determine what was required for mission success and
other player enjoyment than Player A. That is tantamount to saying that
one PC's rights sometimes do extend to the point where another PC's
personal space begins. It really all boils down to the fact that
anytime that Player B has his PC do something to Player A's PC that
Player A specifically requested not to happen, Player B has committed a
transgression that is labeled in the LGCS as PvP.
As for appeals, I must point out that the RPGA has a standing rule that
any ruling at a table can be brought to the Senior GM of the
convention/gameday/etc. It is up to the Senior GM to arbitrate such a
decision. If the Senior GM recommends that a player seek
council/advice/attempt to pursue with their respective triad, that is
what the player should do. The manner in which such appeal should be
brought, however, is subject to interpretation.
Brooks
>
> So you would stick to that stance, even if it meant a TPK for the
> rest of the table, even if, by doing that, you would deprive the
> other player's PC of game time for 52+ TUs? I ask that because that
> is exactly what we saw here.
>
> Later,
>
> Will
>
> --- In GranMarch@yahoogroups.com <mailto:GranMarch%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Dave Walters" <dragonsifuNC@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I have been almost completely silent, reading all of these, but I
> feel the
> > need to speak out.
> >
> > Seth Rosebrock made a good point a while back that seems to have
> been
> > dropped from the conversation again, and it has now been pinged by
> Will's
> > statements above. What got this whole thing started as regard
> James and his
> > PC was that another player (OC) and PC (IC) was told in NO
> uncertain terms
> > that he was NOT to use his Vecna-given curse abilities on his PC.
> Period.
> > No ifsandsorbuts. The other player ignored that request (OC) and
> the other
> > PC assaulted a Gran March Lieutenant (IC).
> >
> > First, the DM SHOULD have acted right then. It may well have
> turned out
> > that the Triad may have laughed it off, like it seems that they
> have on use
> > of the Curse anyway. But the DM at that table had a responsibility
> to
> > recognize that this was an attack on Lt. Solmyr. That DM should be
> warned
> > by the Triad to be more familiar with the rules and pay more
> attention.
> >
> > Second, I am appalled that you are telling us to resolve IC
> violations of
> > law (or rules) out of character, and that PCs has no responsibility
> or
> > authority, or even capability, to react IC. That is patently
> ludicrous, and
> > against the RP part of RPG. I choose not to play Fantasy MINMAX
> Gaming, I
> > choose to play Fantasy Role Playing Games. As an example, my
> military PC
> > overreacted in a certain situation where the success of our
> military mission
> > was being jeopardized by the actions of another military of equal
> rank. My
> > PC told the other PC to stand down, and ordered a lesser ranking
> military PC
> > to secure the PC that was threatening our mission. We were able to
> turn the
> > situation around and gather the information we needed to continue
> the
> > mission and succeed. Later, that PC defended his actions well and
> > successfully, IN CHARACTER, and suggested that my PC was out of
> line. His
> > PC was exonerated IC. Players and PCs are still very good friends,
> and both
> > PCs have since been promoted into the officer ranks. My point
> being, the
> > offense happened IC, the response was IC, the resolution was IC.
> >
> > Yes, I think that James pushed this too far, especially after the
> Triad
> > (IMNSHO incorrectly) dismissed the situation.
> >
> > I will state unequivocally right now that if my PC tells another PC
> to NOT
> > use a power, skill, feat, spell, whatever on him, and that PC
> ignores that
> > request and does so ANYWAY, no matter the circumstances, I will
> consider it
> > an assault and begin to take appropriate IC actions. Most of the
> many
> > players I've discussed this with feel exactly the same way.
> >
> > Dave Walters
> >
> > On 1/30/07, Eric Pelkey <alakhai.vaynard@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Actually, that just frustrates me more. My character had this
> curse,
> > > and I considered it my duty to rid myself of it as quickly as
> > > possible, which wasn't exactly easy. Then later, I find out that
> > > apparently the leaders of my church don't actually care, and must
> have
> > > had a good laugh when I had my curse removed - after all, I just
> gave
> > > up magical power that I could have used to do good with!
> > >
> > > And now, there is the possibility that it may actually turn out
> to be
> > > **good** to have used this curse, that the majority of people I
> know
> > > immediately assumed to be a taint of Vecna? Maybe Vecna
> accidentally
> > > gave us magical powers, and he has been regretting it ever since.
> He
> > > has actually been looking all over for those spell-like abilities
> he
> > > was missing, and when he finds out that we've been using them for
> > > good, the joke is on him!
> > >
> > > It seems like this whole thing has turned into a big out of game
> mess,
> > > which is now causing Bizarro Gran March to intrude upon the
> nation we
> > > all thought our characters lived in.
> > >
> > > Both in-game and out-of-game it seems like a slap to the people
> > > playing within the theme of a region. You grant a curse from an
> evil
> > > deity, which is pretty clearly a curse to the majority of us.
> Then,
> > > church leaders find it laughable that their followers would
> consider
> > > this a bad thing. And finally, the REAL joke is on all those
> people
> > > that went to great lengths to remove the curse, because they
> missed
> > > out on their chance to use some neat spell-like abilities, and
> > > apparently stick it to Vecna and be rewarded for it.
> > >
> > > -Pelkey
> > >
> > > --- In GranMarch@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:GranMarch%40yahoogroups.com> <GranMarch%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, "aeontrin"
> > > <aeontrin@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Joe,
> > > >
> > > > The door is closed, but there will be one thing out there
> relating to
> > > > this, and TMK it will not be a bad thing for PCs, but a good
> thing. I
> > > > will not say anymore than that, but that should be enough to
> put the
> > > > paranoia/frustration/whatever you want to call it to rest.
> > > >
> > > > Later,
> > > >
> > > > Will
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Namaste'
> > Dave Walters, PMP
> > dragonsifuNC at gmail dot com
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I can see the difficulty in applying this across the whole of the
Sheldomar. I'd think though that the Commandant's edict could be
enforced upon anyone coming into Gran March bearing such a curse.
Much like those happy Malagari guys down Keoland-way & their
'reconditioning' program.
Joe
--- In GranMarch@yahoogroups.com, "aeontrin" <aeontrin@...> wrote:
>
> I have just been reminded that this curse also appeared in SHE5-01. I
> don't think we can just remove that one as well as it appeared in a
> metaregional. I have sent an email to Steven for what to do here.
>
> Later,
>
> Will
>
> --- In GranMarch@yahoogroups.com, "aeontrin" <aeontrin@> wrote:
> >
> > Oops! Missed GRM3-03 on the cert. Bad Will!
> >
> > Making a new cert.
> >
> > Later,
> >
> > Will
> >
> > --- In GranMarch@yahoogroups.com, "George Harris" <GeorgeFHarris@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Will,
> > >
> > > I appreciate the effort on the new interlude and the cert.
> > >
> > > This is probably the best thing to put this particular curse
> behind
> > > us.
> > >
> > > I know there is at least one other one (that you can get in a
> > > playable module) that can remove your PC from the campaign if you
> > > play with the benefits too much. But at least the AR tells you
> > that
> > > it is BAD!
> > >
> > > Now, are there any other Whispered One benefits that aren't
> > > specifically marked as being "bad".
> > >
> > > GH
> > >
> > > --- In GranMarch@yahoogroups.com, "aeontrin" <aeontrin@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just download the cert (which, assuming I have no other fires
> to
> > > put
> > > > out in other quarters, will go up this morning).
> > > >
> > > > Later,
> > > >
> > > > Will
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Technically, you don't have a *right* to anything of the sort. You may
*expect* such, but you don't have a *right* to such. This is not to say
that, as a matter of general polite correspondence, that the individual
you accuse of said behavior should not attempt to provide such. Or,
that it might have been in good form to offer up an apology for the
perceived slight. However, the tone offered by the other party (Carrie
in this case) did not strike myself (or anyone else, it would appear) as
particularly offensive. That's not to say that it wasn't offensive to
you. Proper decorum, however, would have been for you to dictate your
concerns and request that such future correspondence be in a more civil
tone.
You chose not to do this. What you chose to do was to escalate this
issue to the next level of abuse, thereby discounting the believability
that you had any agenda other than to be rude. When you responded
discourteously (without courtesy) the first time, I passed it off as
simply being angry at some perceived tone. However, you continue to be
discourteous (without courtesy), even when further posts by the other
party have ceased to be anything other than civil.
Now, it appears that you felt the need to attack me. Quite frankly, my
feelings were not hurt, as you so eloquently put it (and by eloquent,
I'm being sarcastic, since your eloquence is somewhat limited, at best)
by your actual position (which, it just so happens, I agree with) with
regards to morality vs. good/evil. And, while it is possible that the
other posters on this subthread may have intended to be superior, it is
difficult at best to actually read tone from a written medium. So, what
you perceive as the "oh-so-superior" attitude did not strike me as any
such thing. I am not even attempting to chastise you for your
"oh-so-superior" tone. I'm attempting to bring to your attention that
your written communication is discourteous and, IMNSHO, unacceptable.
While you may feel that continuing to attack people on this list who you
perceive are slighting you is somehow commendable, it, unfortunately,
typically leads the average reader to conclude that your posts have
nothing of merit, thereby lessening the impact of your position.
Brooks
>
> Brooks G. Banks wrote:
>
> >If you don't care about being dragged into a tangential debate and only
> >interested in reading someone's defense of their position, then please
> >do everyone the courtesy of not replying.
> >
> If someone is going to present to me the opinion that morality is
> irrelevent to a discussion on morality in a tone suggesting that I'm an
> idiot for not realizing on my own, I think I have the right to expect an
> elaboration without a poorly concealed attempt to distract me.
>
> > You have, IMNSHO, attacked
> >someone on this list 3 times now, in the course of this discussion. You
> >have been discourteous (after attacking someone for being discourteous),
> >
> >belligerent (while claiming the moral high ground), and rude.
> >
> Yes, yes, yes, I'm an unbelievable jackass, I know. However, I
> 'attacked' someone for being condescending. While it is discourteous to
> be condescending, they are not equivalent terms and you are
> misrepresenting my position. I don't care if people are discourteous,
> but when they present a ridiculously simplistic view of morality with
> the smug superiority of a 12 year old who thinks he knows everything it
> irritates me.
>
> Also, the blatant hypocrisy of lecturing me for being 'discourteous'
> while ignoring the oh-so-superior tone of well, everyone else in this
> subthread is sickening. If your feelings are so badly hurt by my
> dismissal of your side of the debate as ridiculous, at least have the
> dignity to pretend impartiality.
>
> > All of
> >which, according to the rules of this list, merit some form of sanction
> >by the list owner or moderator.
> >
> >Brooks
> >
> >
>
>
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I have just been reminded that this curse also appeared in SHE5-01. I
don't think we can just remove that one as well as it appeared in a
metaregional. I have sent an email to Steven for what to do here.
Later,
Will
--- In GranMarch@yahoogroups.com, "aeontrin" <aeontrin@...> wrote:
>
> Oops! Missed GRM3-03 on the cert. Bad Will!
>
> Making a new cert.
>
> Later,
>
> Will
>
> --- In GranMarch@yahoogroups.com, "George Harris" <GeorgeFHarris@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Will,
> >
> > I appreciate the effort on the new interlude and the cert.
> >
> > This is probably the best thing to put this particular curse
behind
> > us.
> >
> > I know there is at least one other one (that you can get in a
> > playable module) that can remove your PC from the campaign if you
> > play with the benefits too much. But at least the AR tells you
> that
> > it is BAD!
> >
> > Now, are there any other Whispered One benefits that aren't
> > specifically marked as being "bad".
> >
> > GH
> >
> > --- In GranMarch@yahoogroups.com, "aeontrin" <aeontrin@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Just download the cert (which, assuming I have no other fires
to
> > put
> > > out in other quarters, will go up this morning).
> > >
> > > Later,
> > >
> > > Will
> > >
> >
>
For me it all comes down to being in character. If my wizard saw
someone using the curse she would grin slightly and be amused. If my
holy liberator saw someone using it he would try his darndest for
the rest of the mod to convince that person to have it removed and
offer to help. If my priest of Pelor saw someone using it he'd try
to remove it himself, with or without the player's permission. If my
Gran March courier saw it he'd report it up through proper chain of
command.
I'm not going to let a silly decision by the triad change how I
play. The bottom line for me is if the rules are getting in the way
of mine or someone else's fun, I bend them or even break them while
trying to maintain the integrity of the game and campaign.
Not that I've ever had to do that before. ;-)
On Jan 31, 2007, at 12:16 PM, keenspotter wrote:
> --- In GranMarch@yahoogroups.com, "George Harris" <GeorgeFHarris@...>
> wrote:
> > But you do have to recognize that it is being used. I've been at a
> > table where it was used. (Said PC got his alignment changed twice in
> > that module.) But no PC at the table was able to recognize that it
> > was being used. And there were not any NPCs in the encounter that
> > could have recognized and reported it.
>
> Advice to those PCs who can recognize such things:
>
> Ignorance is bliss.
>
> JPB
>
>
>
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--- In GranMarch@yahoogroups.com, "George Harris" <GeorgeFHarris@...>
wrote:
> But you do have to recognize that it is being used. I've been at a
> table where it was used. (Said PC got his alignment changed twice in
> that module.) But no PC at the table was able to recognize that it
> was being used. And there were not any NPCs in the encounter that
> could have recognized and reported it.
Advice to those PCs who can recognize such things:
Ignorance is bliss.
JPB
--- In GranMarch@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Wheeler <daniel.wheeler@...>
wrote:
>
> I can tell you for certain the curse from "Crystal Clear" is meant
as
> bad, and the AR tells as such. If I catch anyone using it at a
table
> I run, any NPCs will report it and I will encourage any PCs to do
the
> same if they recognize it.
But you do have to recognize that it is being used. I've been at a
table where it was used. (Said PC got his alignment changed twice in
that module.) But no PC at the table was able to recognize that it was
being used. And there were not any NPCs in the encounter that could
have recognized and reported it.
GH
Oops! Missed GRM3-03 on the cert. Bad Will!
Making a new cert.
Later,
Will
--- In GranMarch@yahoogroups.com, "George Harris" <GeorgeFHarris@...>
wrote:
>
> Will,
>
> I appreciate the effort on the new interlude and the cert.
>
> This is probably the best thing to put this particular curse behind
> us.
>
> I know there is at least one other one (that you can get in a
> playable module) that can remove your PC from the campaign if you
> play with the benefits too much. But at least the AR tells you
that
> it is BAD!
>
> Now, are there any other Whispered One benefits that aren't
> specifically marked as being "bad".
>
> GH
>
> --- In GranMarch@yahoogroups.com, "aeontrin" <aeontrin@> wrote:
> >
> > Just download the cert (which, assuming I have no other fires to
> put
> > out in other quarters, will go up this morning).
> >
> > Later,
> >
> > Will
> >
>
I can tell you for certain the curse from "Crystal Clear" is meant as
bad, and the AR tells as such. If I catch anyone using it at a table
I run, any NPCs will report it and I will encourage any PCs to do the
same if they recognize it.
On Jan 31, 2007, at 12:02 PM, George Harris wrote:
> Will,
>
> I appreciate the effort on the new interlude and the cert.
>
> This is probably the best thing to put this particular curse behind
> us.
>
> I know there is at least one other one (that you can get in a
> playable module) that can remove your PC from the campaign if you
> play with the benefits too much. But at least the AR tells you that
> it is BAD!
>
> Now, are there any other Whispered One benefits that aren't
> specifically marked as being "bad".
>
> GH
>
> --- In GranMarch@yahoogroups.com, "aeontrin" <aeontrin@...> wrote:
> >
> > Just download the cert (which, assuming I have no other fires to
> put
> > out in other quarters, will go up this morning).
> >
> > Later,
> >
> > Will
> >
>
>
>
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Will,
I appreciate the effort on the new interlude and the cert.
This is probably the best thing to put this particular curse behind
us.
I know there is at least one other one (that you can get in a
playable module) that can remove your PC from the campaign if you
play with the benefits too much. But at least the AR tells you that
it is BAD!
Now, are there any other Whispered One benefits that aren't
specifically marked as being "bad".
GH
--- In GranMarch@yahoogroups.com, "aeontrin" <aeontrin@...> wrote:
>
> Just download the cert (which, assuming I have no other fires to
put
> out in other quarters, will go up this morning).
>
> Later,
>
> Will
>
On 1/31/07, aeontrin <aeontrin@...> wrote:
> Paige, you want one at EconoCon?
I have had two people request one so far. It sounds like there are
perhaps one or two more interested parties.
IMHO, a PRB with less than about 6-10 people is not so much fun, and
generally not worth the considerable and uncompensated effort of the
people who organize them. If there are a number of additional folks
who want a PRB at Econo, then email me privately. If we hit a
critical mass of interested persons by February 20th, then I would
like the option to offer one at EconoCon.
However...
Please note that traditionally there are opportunites for military
advancement at DragonCon, usually as part of a BI. Given that, the
other Georgia cons typically do *not* offer PRBs because we don't want
to give an appearance that Georgia cons are hogging the PRBs. If my
fellow GRM con coordinators would prefer that there NOT be a PRB at
EconoCon, then please email me privately.
Paige
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On 1/31/07, Waltman, Dennis <paul.waltman@...> wrote:
> I have received no scenario outline or request for an Interactive for
> EconoCon
That is because the Con Coordinator (namely me) is not interested in
the least in having one this year. Thank you, but no.
Paige
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