Search the web
Sign In
New User? Sign Up
FIDE_CHESS
? Already a member? Sign in to Yahoo!

Yahoo! Groups Tips

Did you know...
Message search is now enhanced, find messages faster. Take it for a spin.

Best of Y! Groups

   Check them out and nominate your group.
Having problems with message search? Fill out this form to ensure your group is one of the first to be migrated to the new message search system.

Messages

  Messages Help
Advanced
FW: BINFO 200803055 from Susan Polgar to the Rest of the Board   Message List  
Reply | Forward Message #74 of 75 |




> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 11:05:37 -0700
> Subject: Re: BINFO 200803055 from Susan Polgar to the Rest of the Board
> From: robmtchl@...
> To: uscf-chess@googlegroups.com
> CC: uscf-chess@googlegroups.com
>
>
> On Jul 9, 2:36 pm, "jeremy.p.spin...@..."
> <jeremy.p.spin...@...> wrote:
>
> > > Hiding the investigation from the other 6 board members
>
>
> > If serious charges are brought to the attention of the executive
> > director, it is hard to decide who he should tell and who he should
> > keep in the dark. If the investigation would prove the accused person
> > innocent, you wouldn't want everyone to know about the slurs. If there
> > was a possibility of the accused erasing evidence, you wouldn't want
> > to tell them before there was a preliminary investigation. I feel this
> > action is reasonable.
>
>
> > > refusing to step down from the subcommittee due to clear conflict of interest
> >
>
> > This charge is still not clear, since we don't know what conflict of
> > interest accusation is being made. I see no obvious conflict of
> > interest here; Goichberg has no obvious interest in manipulating the
> > information regarding FSS. Being a political opponent/supporter of the
> > accused is not in itself a conflict of interest; everyone can be
> > accused of having some political bias.
>
>
> ### Note: If someone threatenes your livlihood by forcing a change in
> proceedures at the board level, that might be a problem. Right?
>
> > > then declining to allow our experts the opportunity to inspect the
> > > database to verify the data.
>
> ### Note: Does not the accused have the right to review the evidence
> against them?
>
> > The correct step at this point must be to ask the lawyers what is
> > appropriate, and take their advice. If this was done on legal advice,
> > this is certainly not grounds for resigning.
> >
> >
>
> > > Refusing to take action against contractors who blatantly violated the
> > > NDA, even after it was confirmed that the NDA was clearly violated
> > > multiple times.
>
> ### Note: In my experience not generally as it relates to independant
> contractors and then the only possible exception might be the blatant
> violation of national security or to protect the life of an innocent.
>
> > This comes up often in whistle-blowing cases; you can get in lots of
> > trouble for acting against someone who uncovers a crime even if you
> > say they violated some technical issue. Not grounds for resignation.
> >
>
> >
> > > Leaking confidential and legal information to Jerry Hanken and others
> > > by one of the board members (Joel Channing and Randy Bauer are
> > > excluded). You even clearly stated that you're aware that Jerry Hanken
> > > received confidential information and he used this to negotiate with
> > > Sam Sloan.
>
>
>
> > This is a legal strategy issue. Trying to get Sloan to drop the case
> > was clearly in the interests of the USCF. It is not clear what
> > information leaked was supposed to be "confidential and legal" here;
> > Sloan already had the Motterhead report at this time. Certainly if the
> > lawyers advised this, it is not an approach which should be condemned.
> > Unless some shocking leak of legal information is at issue here, I
> > think this is way overblown.
> >
>
> ### Note: WHen someone is supposed to be protected by a liability
> policy and then a deal is attempted to be negotiated without knowledge
> or concent of the accused parties, that is a problem. Attorneys would
> not suggest their clients attempt to negotiate without the attorneys
> being present aor with full knowledge of the proceedings.
>
> >
> > > Voting 5-0 to authorize the attorney to interfere with our legal
> > > defense by contacting Chubb to try to cancel our insurance coverage
> > > which is highly unethical.
>
>
> ### Note: It is also a violation of the law. Chubb cannot refuse to
> provide them liability protection. The board cannot selectivly exclude
> board members from coverage. Whoever suggested this is an idiot and
> should have contacted me first. Or any insurance agent before stepping
> into this.
>
>
> > I do not know enough about legal ethics to say. My impression was that
> > the vote was to separate out the USCF as defendants from the Polgars
> > as defendants, which is clearly appropriate. As to contacting Chubb,
> > who Chubb was representing, and what the appropriate legal ethics are
> > here, I defer to others. By the interpretation of the vote I
> > understand, at least the vote itself was correct rather than something
> > to resign over.
>
> ###Note: you can vote to exclude coverage. But thats only because you
> can vote on anything. Legally you cannot exclude them from coverage.
> It was stupid for them to try that. Ignorant.
>
>
> > > Not stopping your attorney from trying to investigate the bogus claim
> > > that Paul and I abused mychildren.
>
>
>
> > I find this investigation extremely distasteful. Yet lawyers I know
> > well tell me that distasteful pursuit of damaging evidence against
> > your legal opponents is simply the way law works. It seems despicable,
> > since it is irrelevant to the FSS issue; however, if the lawyers tell
> > you that the charges should be investigated, I would hesitate to say
> > it is wrong to allow them to follow what they tell you is standard
> > practice.
>
> ### Note: If it is despicible, and you seem to agree that it is, don't
> back down from that. Lawyers would never tell you it should be
> investigated, unless you are refrencing Lafferty as the attorney . It
> is irrelevant to the FSS issue. The inclusion of this information and
> the attempt to destroy Paul and Susan's reputations by broadcasting
> their personal information and court filings is misleading,evil,vile
> and worthy of only the most putrid of souls. Those guilty of the
> actions of attempting to personally and pubically destroy these two
> fine people should suffer for their actions.
>
>
>
> >> These outrageous, vicious, and
> > > damaging charges which were proven completely false were then sent to
> > > multiple high level individuals at Texas Tech as well as the local
> > > media by one of your supporters to try to get me fired from my job.
>
>
> > This is the one charge which is really serious. Certainly, the lawyers
> > would not recommend this course of action. It is morally
> > reprehensible, and does not even have the cover of being standard
> > operating practice.
> >
>
> >
> > If Goichberg told the supporter to do this, I agree that it is
> > something to resign over. However, the fact that one of your
> > supporters did something nasty does not mean that you are guilty of
> > the nasty deed.
>
> ### Note: If you are responsible for that individuals actions by right
> of an employee/employer relationship, you do have liability.
>
> > I would not hold Truong orPolgar responsible for
> > disgusting statements made by Nomen Nescio (or incomprehensible
> > statements by Phil Innes), and I wouldn't hold Goichberg responsible
> > for whoever leaked this information unless he authorized it or passed
> > it on with the intention of it being used in this way. As I understand
> > it, this information probably did not come from the USCF. After all,
> > it was posted on rgcp as well, and there are many overwrought people
> > not tied to the USCF who seem to hate the Polgars and might send this
> > information out to damage them. I could see Sam Sloan, Brian Lafferty,
> > Ray Gordon, Susan's ex-husband or others doing this. Each might have
> > their own reasons, and each might be viewed as a supported on the FSS
> > issue, but the information wouldn't have come from the USCF and the
> > USCF should not be responsible for this extremely reprehensible
> > behavior; it would not be a reason to resign.
> >
>
> ### Note: If a board member used their position as a board member to
> obtain sensitive information or if they conspired with an outsider
> while they were an acting board member with an outside third party for
> the specefic intent to drive the attacked person from the board or to
> effect a change in board votes, that is a problem and there is a
> liability there. The question that arises here is if the liability
> policy will cover the board member who is perpatrating the conspiracy.
> I am checking on this. My feeling is that deliberate and blatant
> criminal acts may be excluded from protection under the liability
> policy.
>
> >
> > > Please feel free to deny them just as Jerry Hanken.
> >
> > > In a message dated 7/1/2008 9:01:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> >
> > > Chessoffice writes:
> >
> > >     What "board act" do you have in mind?
> >
> > My conclusion, and it is not a shocking one, is that the resignation
> > challenge in no way answers the FSS accusations, and that even if the
> > allegations themselves are all technically true they are not in
> > themselves reasons for the board to resign.
> >
> > JerrySpinrad
>
> I would advise everyone to carefully read what has been written above
> and digest it thoroughly.
> Rob
>
> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "USCF Chess" group.
> To post to this group, send email to USCF-Chess@googlegroups.com
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to USCF-Chess+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com
> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/USCF-Chess
> -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
>


Get more from your digital life. Find out how.

Wed Aug 6, 2008 6:06 pm

robmtchl
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email

Forward
Message #74 of 75 |
Expand Messages Author Sort by Date

... _________________________________________________________________ Get more from your digital life. Find out how. ...
Rob Mitchell
robmtchl
Offline Send Email
Aug 6, 2008
6:06 pm
Advanced

Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved.
Privacy Policy - Terms of Service - Guidelines - Help