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Reply Message #728 of 14293 |
"Ordering at the bridge"

"Ordering at the bridge" is not a
question of probability, or what
you will turn up on 50 hands on
the "Euchre Lab," or whether 50
hands is "statistically significant."
It's a question of whether you want
to stay in the game or not.

It's like Jeff said about Tony
LaRussa's decision to walk Barry
Bonds with the bases loaded. He
wasn't going to give Bonds the
chance to beat him.

By the way, "criteria" ARE, not
"is." "Criteria" is the plural of
"criterion" (as "data" is the plural
of "datum").







Tue Aug 27, 2002 1:14 am

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... You're right. ... Here's the reasoning I used for the dealer: Since 2nd chair passed, he obviously doesn't have a reasonable chance at two tricks, maybe...
bimbert84
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Aug 26, 2002
12:16 pm

"Ordering at the bridge" is not a question of probability, or what you will turn up on 50 hands on the "Euchre Lab," or whether 50 hands is "statistically...
fanubartek
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Aug 27, 2002
1:15 am

... I strongly disagree. Every decision we make in a game is about probability. Winning is all about maximizing your chances of success, while at the same...
bimbert84
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Aug 27, 2002
1:46 pm

... I was talking about "a particular play not likely to be successful," NOT the donating of a euchre. Whether or not donating at 9-7 will win more than it'll...
bimbert84
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Aug 27, 2002
1:53 pm

... Of course you are! Second guessing the manager's decisions is one the biggest luxuries of being a fan. It's right up there with getting to watch the...
gblue42
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Aug 27, 2002
6:04 pm

In terms of the odds, you're more likely to get a point as dealer than you are when the opponents deal. Is there any disagreement on that concept? With a...
gblue42
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Aug 27, 2002
6:46 pm

Hi Gerry, ... I don't think there's any disagreement there. ... Yes. ... that ... it's ... Yes, it's in your favor when you're dealing at 9-9, I don't think ...
bimbert84
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Aug 27, 2002
8:31 pm

You lost me there. Yes, I think we can say that our odds are better of winning by ordering. First of all, there's the outside chance that we take 3 tricks in...
Gerry Blue
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Aug 27, 2002
8:56 pm

Hi Gerry, ... Yes, I think so. Dealing at 9-9 is not an automatic win, nor do I believe the odds of getting the point are as great as some have claimed. The...
bimbert84
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Aug 28, 2002
11:15 am

Consider this: What are you goals in euchre? Do you want to win just for today? Do you want to win tommorrow? Or are you happy with playing good enough to...
t_bolt76
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Aug 27, 2002
10:36 pm

Hi Ed, ... To win, of course. ... I have heard this claim more than once in this thread, with no scientific basis to back it up. Show me WHY, and maybe I'll...
bimbert84
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Aug 28, 2002
11:39 am

" based on probability, my own experience, and my experimentation in the Euchre Lab, I find it to be about 1-in-10." Well based on actual probability in the...
t_bolt76
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Aug 28, 2002
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Hi Ed, ... You don't think 500 is enough to establish a reasonable pattern? I strongly disagree. Flip a coin 500 times, and see how many heads you get. It...
bimbert84
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Aug 28, 2002
7:43 pm

This may be my last message for a while. My cable is out for good. I am on my netzero whats left of my free access. Fliping a coin and playing euchre is like...
t_bolt76
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Aug 28, 2002
8:42 pm

... Well, that's very impressive. For what it's worth, we're in agreement on the concept of donating. We're not, however, in agreement on the concept of how...
gblue42
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Aug 28, 2002
10:52 pm

Hi Gerry, ... Thanks. It's good to know I'm not being interpreted as a troublemaker. ... Absolutely! This is the only way any logical conclusions can be ...
bimbert84
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Aug 29, 2002
11:29 am

... If we never disturb the ground we walk on, we never find the diamonds....
gblue42
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Aug 29, 2002
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A statistically significant sample is ~1500 of whatever you're studying. One learns this in the first week of a stats class. ... From: gblue42...
Jed Taylor
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Aug 29, 2002
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Hi Jed, ... To put a specific number on a completely general range of studies is meaningless. Statistical significance depends on a number of factors far more...
bimbert84
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Aug 29, 2002
2:15 pm

You're much too nice <g>... I just boot a P who questions the move - and if I'm feeling overly generous, I refer them to the Beginners Lounge where they might...
Jed Taylor
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Aug 28, 2002
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First of all, we've been hearing over and over and over that donating at 9-6 or 9-7 is the smart play to make; that it wins you more games that it costs you....
Jed Taylor
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Aug 28, 2002
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Hi Jed, ... I sense frustration. Please don't be frustrated, and don't think your arguments are going unheard. I'm not saying it's the wrong move, I'm just...
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#1 every time. ... From: bimbert84 [mailto:bimbert84@...] Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 06:16 To: EuchreScience@yahoogroups.com Subject:...
Jed Taylor
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Aug 24, 2002
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I was sitting 2nd, score tied 7-7, holding AK9h As Jc, when my P turned up the Jh. 1st chair ordered and took one only trick, upon which his P congratulated...
bimbert84
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Jul 29, 2003
3:35 pm

So, he gets to deal, but is down 9-7. Judging from what happened (they managed to get a trick), they should have only been down 8-7 if he had passed, because...
Joseph J Cravero
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Jul 29, 2003
6:14 pm

I'm inclined to ask a more general question which may get a cringe from those who insist on knowing the details of the situation. If you're 1st chair with a...
Gerry Blue
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Jul 29, 2003
7:20 pm

... That's what I was getting at. Myself, I would not. I think the odds of you losing when down 9-7 are better than them scoring a loner. Even if you score...
bimbert84
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Jul 29, 2003
7:51 pm

Gerry, When my opponents have 7 I will never donate that Jack unless my team has 9 and which I have no foreseeable stopper. As for when an opponent has 6....
gdi_learn_2_fckn_play
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Jul 30, 2003
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For example? gdi_learn_2_fckn_play <anon5135@...> wrote:. . . But I usually have distain for donating when we have 8 and they have 6, but I have done...
Gerry Blue
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Jul 30, 2003
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Sorry Gerry, a mis-usage of words. I meant it to read as follow....... But I usually loathe donating when we have 8 and they have 6, but I have done it in...
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