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Re: The finesse - Natty's column


Hi all! Been away.

The author does a good job of describing what a "finesse" is. With
as many as two trump including the L still outstanding after partner
leads the Ace of trump and RHO follows low, the finesse is clearly
the percentage play. Neither possible play risks being euchred, so
why not go with the odds?

Unfortunately, the author hasn't the foggiest idea what an "end play"
is. He states that the dealer "gives herself an end play by ducking".
When LHO wins the L, declarer is down to the two top trump and the
Ace of hearts. How in the world could that be considered an "end
play"? It's as far away from an "end play" as you can possibly get.
Pure nonsense.

Besides the major terminology error, the author made a subtle
analytical error as well. He states that after the finesse wins with
LHO following low, partner will lead the Ace of clubs and declarer
will throw the Ace of hearts, and then pick up RHO's stiff L on one
of the last two tricks. But suppose LHO had mistakenly failed to win
with the L (perhaps expecting dealer to have played the R - It
happens). Instead declarer should trump partner's Ace of clubs
with the king and draw the last trump immediately. This gains when
LHO would have to follow to the first club, but could overtrump
partner's next lead. As this play can never lose, it is always the
right play.

Unnecessarily giving the opponents an extra chance to win a trick is
always an error.

Tom




Sat May 10, 2003 8:42 am

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Natty's column of 5/9/2003 "The finesse" has been uploaded to our "files" area. You can read it at...
Gerry Blue
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May 9, 2003
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... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EuchreScience/files/Natty/2003/Natty_200 3_05_09.html The finesse, is a trickey/delicate play for many reasons. One of which...
gdi_learn_2_fckn_play
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May 9, 2003
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Are you saying it is "situational"?...
Richard Jones
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May 9, 2003
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... What I said was pretty clear I think. Besides, I think the "finesse" article puts forward a good point. In that there are times to play under or "finesse"...
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May 10, 2003
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Hi all! Been away. The author does a good job of describing what a "finesse" is. With as many as two trump including the L still outstanding after partner ...
scolar2
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May 10, 2003
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... is ... I agree. There will be times where you want the lead and trumping your partners ace will often be the correct thing to do, of course in the proper...
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... in ... **The trumping of your partners Ace is the Non-trump Ace for what I was refering to in follow-up to scolars post....
gdi_learn_2_fckn_play
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Hi Tom, ... Welcome back. ... Interesting. If the L is buried (or our P has it), it doesn't matter whether we play R or K. Since it makes no sense to...
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May 10, 2003
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Actually "bimbert84" has given us the simplest definition, and the most appropriate to the questioned ... And that is a tremendous advantage. Some versions of...
Natty Bumppo
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May 11, 2003
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... Rob, saying the finesse is clearly the percentage play is from my bridge experience. In bridge, when you have an 11-card fit with your partner but are...
scolar2
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May 13, 2003
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Hi Tom, ... Agreed. ... I'm definitely interested. I don't know even the first thing about bridge, but it sounds like there are a lot of euchre lessons to be ...
bimbert84
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May 13, 2003
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Like most other words and phrases in the English language, "end play" has more than one definition. It can refer to the play of the end of a hand, or it can...
Natty Bumppo
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May 10, 2003
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Natty, The various definitions of an "end play" that you quote are all fine. Later in the day I will look up and provide the definition in The Official...
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May 11, 2003
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scolar2 <scolar4@...> wrote: Natty, The various definitions of an "end play" that you quote are all fine. Later in the day I will look up and provide the...
Ron Brown
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May 11, 2003
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... If I can somehow point out a weakness or flaw in someone else ( no matter how arbitrary or trivial ) it somehow gives me the illusion superiority. Where...
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