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Rob's messages on this subject have been extremely well-reasoned and thoughtful. He has demonstrated, from several different perspectives, why ordering up the QC from the second chair is a poor decision. It remains a poor decision. Get over it.
Now comes the argument that the dealer needs "guidance" from his partner. Unfortunately, there's no such thing in the game of euchre, at least within the rules. There's no bidding, as there is in bridge, the conventions of which are designed to provide such guidance. There's no signaling, either, although I'm quite confident it goes on amongst those that think "guidance" exists in euchre.
The second chair has no idea what's in his partner's hand (save the 5 cards he himself is holding). He may do only one of two things: (1) end the decision process by ordering it up or (2) passing. There is no mechanism for indicating the saliency of either option. Should the dealer have the opportunity to call or pass, all he knows is that none of the other three have enough to call it. Only a moron or a cheater would read more into his partner's pass than that.
And, as I pointed out previously, if the dealer is someone who would pick it up on the hands you indicated you would, there's absolutely no point in the second chair ordering it up since the only cases that would exist where the team wasn't playing the contract would be ones that either (a) are hopeless or (b) well-suited for defense, and thus an even greater reward than trying to eke out one point.
Natty, here's a freebee for your website. Add the tagline, "Often wrong, but never in doubt."
-----Original Message-----Good point, Ron Brown. You will
From: Natty Bumppo [mailto:borf@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 21:30
To: EuchreScience@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [EuchreScience] Ordering the queen of clubs
find the key to unlocking this
argument in "Example 6" of my
message No. 2260:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EuchreScience/message/2260
"Example 6: Would you pick up if
the resulting hand would be left and
queen of clubs, jack of hearts, king
of spades and ace of diamonds? Not
me: I've got a 'euchre hand' even
without the queen of clubs. Let
someone else call it -- e.g., my
partner (who already had the chance)."
When the dealer (your partner) has
a "euchre hand" -- or anything akin
thereto -- he needs guidance. If
you have not given it to him, you have failed him. Carpe diem.
And these "euchre hands" are not all that unusual.
P.S. No, "bimbert84," I do not have to "try to be an ass." It is
"easy to be hard" (recognize that line? It's from a Broadway
musical). I have noticed also, over the years, that it is easy to be
stupid.
Ref.: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EuchreScience/message/2266
P.S.S. Statistics: Messages by "bimbert84" out of last 60 on Euchre
Science = 24 = 40 per cent. Are you TRYING for the T_Bolt
Overachievement Award?
Ref.: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EuchreScience/message/2224
Ron Brown wrote:
> this is a perfect example of a hand where you have to "think for
> your partner". because of the extremely high percentage of possible
> hands that your partner would pass, unless he knew what you had,
> which he doesn't, and that's where you come in (hopefully ;-) )
> remember: he's going to need a pretty good hand to order up,
> because your not going to be much help to him (you passed, remember)
> and the chances of him having a good hand in clubs aren't very good
> because the right and king are gone . . . .
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