From: Joseph J Cravero <joeelf@...> To: EuchreScience@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 10:23:25 PM Subject: [EuchreScience] Re: KH (green) trash?
I agree this has some remarkable interest. I haven't been on here in a while and somehow got sucked into reading all of the posts on this.
My question : Why is 1st leading trump into 2nd's assist whenever 1st has trump.
I don't know if anyone said to lead trump in every situation from the 1st seat. My opinion is that you usually should lead trump. (I will define 'usually' as 90%, but that is my 'off the cuff' guess-timate,
Does it matter if 1st has voids or aces? It definitely matters. Quantifying how much it matters is a more interesting question.
That seems like something you would want to put in as options, but I sure wouldn't be leading trump on defense unless I had two aces and no voids.
Well, I agreed that leading trump when you have multiple ACEs and no voids is one of the best situations to lead trump. If I were to guess, the most advantageous situation would be when the 1st seat has the RIGHT.
Aside: This is another example of a scenario where people (people defined in general sense and not specifically pointing to any individual) have troubles determining the best strategy. That is to say a situation where no matter what they do they are going to usually lose pts... but doing the best thing will limit the losses. Another example is donations)
Joe
Sword_4_hire (My opinion) (where is Pimp? he never lets me down... lol)
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> From: robin neill <rhyme_n_reason47@ yahoo.com>
> >To: EuchreScience@ yahoogroups. com
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:00:55 AM
> >Subject: Re: [EuchreScience] Re: KH (green) trash?
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> >Now can you switch and lead the singleton off suit instead of trump to evaluate not leading trump?
> >
> >--- On Mon, 7/13/09, Fred Benjamin <fastfredy0@ yahoo. com> wrote:
> >>Score is 0-0, 2nd chair orders the 9C. Dealer holds AD KD KC 10S KH.
> >>> > > > > > What would YOU discard if you were the dealer?
> >>
> >>Throw away 10S ... net 842 over 1,000 hands
> >>Throw away KH ... net 761 over 1,000 hands
I agree this has some remarkable interest. I haven't been on here in a while and somehow got sucked into reading all of the posts on this. My question : Why...
Yeah I must admit I'm finding this slightly tangential discussion regarding what to lead to a 2nd seat assist much more interesting than the initial discussion...
They say never unguard the left. Well when 2nd orders the King or lower I will lead the lower of my guarded left holding. More times than not 2nd will drop his...
Yeah you could be right about that. At some scores I will unguard the left by leading the low trump... but I still don't like it. At other scores I won't as...
BTW Todd... I seem to recall that you almost always will lead trump when the 2nd seat orders up. This is not a problem for me as my default strategy is to...
Leading trump to a 2nd chair order bunches the trump. It doesn't always work but it definitely puckers the maker. It's not only a good strategy of play but...
From my experience, sitting at age, when I've had a strong hand with the right and other off suit winners, in the suit picked up, leading the right seems to...
It does not "bundle the trump" when the dealer's partner, who should NOT BE ORDERING UP IN THE FIRST PLACE, has not ordered up with a slim holding . . . ....
Seems to me that Todd has a win / win situation. 1st way: Todd plays trump and it stops a player like yourself from calling trump when you have marginal...
I guess I didn't explain it right. I meant that I only order up with strong hands from 2nd seat irresepctive of whether the 1st seat player leads trump or...
Now that's good. ... strong hands from 2nd seat irresepctive of whether the 1st seat player leads trump or not. As such I always welcome a trump lead when I...
But I should qualify what I mean when I say "strong hands" ordering from 2nd. The minimum hands would be: Right-x in trump plus a side Ace, any 3 trump both...
You don't like the left-x and off ace assist? ... is the Right-x hands with no offsuit ace which I won't order with, however from my experience those are the...
I don't mind having it... but if my partner has the trump I need him to have in order to make point then he will very likely be picking it up anyway. And if...
I'm assuming you're saying you never lead trump from age when dealer is assisted/picks up the right? Only exception that I would lead trump if dealer is...
I don't remember the actual quote but Natty said something along the lines of "There are NOT any nevers and always in euchre." Perry, didn't you once come up...
I have agreed in general with your comments about this subject. If Fred programmed his Fredulator to always lead trumps which it appears he did, where does...
________________________________ From: robin neill <rhyme_n_reason47@...> To: EuchreScience@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 12:01:08 AM ...
I have agreed in general with your comments about this subject. If Fred programmed his Fredulator to always lead trumps which it appears he did (I did not do...
Tell you what... you tell me the 5 cards that the 1st seat has and the up card that was ordered by the 2nd seat ... and I will tell you the right thing to do...
I would want to know how your simulator is programmed - to play trump or not? I want know that 90% - 10%. How did you program it? ... From: Fred Benjamin...
Eldest seat has:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 9c up card, 2nd seat assists: What do you lead to the 1st trick? Â 1)Â Â Â Â Â Qc ,9d,10d,Qd, Ks 2)Â Â Â Â Â Qc, Js,...
... Ks ... 9d ... Jh ... Jh ... Qh (no simulator needed) ... the up card that was ordered by the 2nd seat ... and I will tell you the right thing to do (IMO)....
________________________________ From: robin neill <rhyme_n_reason47@...> To: EuchreScience@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:03:05 PM ...
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