Discard KH 1025 pts for 264 pts against 761 net 2 pt 157 times 1 pt 711 times -2 pt 132 times
Discard 10S
1080 pts for 238 pts against
842 net
2 pt 199 times
1 pt 682 times
-2 pt 119 times
From: Todd <jtmwingnut@...> To: EuchreScience@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 9:36:10 PM Subject: [EuchreScience] Re: KH (green) trash?
You wouldn't happen to have the detailed +/- scoring for offense and
defense would you Fred? It really doesn't matter much, I was just
curious to see how many more marches discarding next got 2nd and 4th
chair. I'm guessing keeping the green King made about as many 1 pointers
as keeping next, and euchres were close.
This may be running the subject in the ground a bit, but what would you
discard, either the 10S or KH if the dealer picked up the 9c to go with
the JC KC AD unassisted?
--- In EuchreScience@ yahoogroups. com, Fred Benjamin <fastfredy0@ ...>
wrote:
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> Score is 0-0, 2nd chair orders the 9C. Dealer holds AD KD KC 10S KH.
> > > > > > > What would YOU discard if you were the dealer?
>
> Throw away 10S ... net 842 over 1,000 hands
> Throw away KH ... net 761 over 1,000 hands
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>
> Same hand but change clubs for spades and diamonds for hearts
> Throw away 10C ... net 806 over 1,000 hands
> Throw away KD ... net 765 over 1,000 hands
>
> Create similar test and compare KS to 10C to try to see if quantify
short black suit effects on results
>
> Throw away 10C ... net 821 over 1,000 hands
> Throw away KS ... net 803 over 1,000 hands
>
> Sword_4_hire
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You wouldn't happen to have the detailed +/- scoring for offense and defense would you Fred? It really doesn't matter much, I was just curious to see how many...
Discard KH 1025 pts for 264 pts against 761 net 2 pt 157 times 1 pt 711 times -2 pt 132 times Discard 10S 1080 pts for 238 pts against 842 net 2 pt 199 times 1...
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