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Fw: [TftS] Discussion about BG coexistance and access to orthicopter   Message List  
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Re: [DuneBoardGame] Re: Fw: [TftS] Discussion about BG coexistance and access to orthicopters

Well, the rules define what "coexistance" means, and that definition is
obviously different form the English definition of the word, and it's
safe to say that as the faction rules take precedence over the general
rules, the general rules take precedence over the dictionary.com rules :)


Sitko wrote:
> This brings up a logic problem:
>
> The definition of coexist on dictionary.com is: 1. to exist together
> or at the same time. 2. to exist separately or independently but
> peaceably, often while remaining rivals or adversaries: Although
> their ideologies differ greatly, the two great powers must coexist.
> Both definitions reference the fact that the items that are
> coexisting are doing so together, or to exist independently but
> peacefully. If the BGs are coexisting in a city with other units
> there, and those other units leave the stronghold, who would the BGs
> be coexisting with when they were alone? No one. So, their
> coexistence status COULD be changed. Imho, the BGs can't coexist by
> themselves...there needs to be at least one other party for the BGs
> to be able to coexist.
>
> But, I digress. The way I've played it was that if the BGs are left
> alone in a city, where they were coexisting, and a third party moved
> into that city, then they could choose at that time to coexist or
> not, as the persons they had announced they were coexisting with have
> left. And as always, they have no choice but to coexist if they
> share a territory with their ally.
>
> :)
>
>




Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:09 pm

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All, In Treasure of the Sands, David, our great GM has just announced a ruling, which I can't find any clarification for or against, except for one of the...
sitko
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Jul 13, 2009
10:51 pm

Co-existing tokens do not have access to Ornithopters. The BG has to control either Arrakeen or Carthag....
glennmcma
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Jul 14, 2009
12:20 pm

The point David is making is that the BGs un-coexisted at the beginning of the movement phase, and should thus have access to the orthicopters, as they've been...
sitko
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Jul 14, 2009
6:32 pm

The official WBC ruling is posted over at BGG. On this topic it reads: A player is considered to have access to ornithopters during his turn if and only if he...
glennmcma
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Jul 14, 2009
8:56 pm

Glenn, To make sure I understand what your saying here... A BG player who was coexisting in Arrakeen and coexisting in Carthag, could stop coexisting in...
sitko
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Jul 15, 2009
6:05 pm

... BG tokens are considered to be non-coexisting until another faction enters the territory. If coexistence is declared at that moment, you cannot later...
glennmcma
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Jul 15, 2009
8:45 pm

Just to be clear (I am the one GM'ing the game in question), we are not discussing if BG coexisting troops grant the player access to ornithopters, I think...
David Di Lorenzo
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Jul 15, 2009
10:32 pm

... It's not really related to the other discussion, but I think you are wrong on this one. Bene Gesserit ability say "Those territories in which you choose to...
David Di Lorenzo
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Jul 15, 2009
10:39 pm

This brings up a logic problem: The definition of coexist on dictionary.com is: 1. to exist together or at the same time. 2. to exist separately or...
sitko
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Jul 16, 2009
4:43 pm

Well, the rules define what "coexistance" means, and that definition is obviously different form the English definition of the word, and it's safe to say that...
David Di Lorenzo
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Jul 16, 2009
5:10 pm

... IMO, no. A literal interpretation of the rules supports the BG getting ornithopters by doing this. (Actually, a literal interpretation also does not rule...
glennmcma
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Jul 16, 2009
9:01 pm

I agree with you mostly. One stipulation, there is a contridictory rule in the rules, that specifically states, that coexisting troops don't get access to...
sitko
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Jul 17, 2009
4:53 pm

Thanks I knew I had read the tournament rule, but I no longer have a copy, should have realized they were on BGG (duh :) ) Colin ... [Non-text portions of this...
Colin Hunter
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Jul 15, 2009
6:08 pm

Well there is a little ambiguity.  One could argue that the Orinthopters are available for rent from private parties so control is not needed and merely...
Ron Johnson
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Jul 14, 2009
6:25 pm

The BG get ornithopters for co existence. I forget the actual reason now, but I'm sure that is the case. Colin ... [Non-text portions of this message have been...
Colin Hunter
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Jul 14, 2009
6:26 pm

Your GM's ruling seems to me to interpret the rules very literally and clearly. It may not be in what some players might feel to be the spirit or intent of the...
Josh
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