... Wb. ... Hyperbole. The statement was fair - given the same AP, most wargamers would expect a chance against an opponent. It only falls over when the...
From: "lau_hohlong" <lau_hohlong@...> ... On holding off nomads, later manuals make much of great crossbows with impressive penetrating power, often...
... Nope - it isn't. It has no basis in reality, or DBMM! :) - given the same AP, most ... Nope. Equal AP's of, say Lh(F) vs Bw that are behind fortifications...
Hi, Alastair wrote; ... ME. I'm tending to think we should drop the 2nd rank ZOD for warband A) Consistency since Kn don't do the same B) Better use of the...
The changes made to warbands needs to be subtle, it is easy to make warband ineffective and then the arguments will swing back to "what can we do to make them...
... There is a reference to crossbows on wagons at http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?showtopic=476 - the 416 AD incident. Needham SCIC v.V:6 p.123...
- given the same AP, most ... I would have to agree with Mike on this one. It is wrong to look at the interaction between only two troops types in isolation....
Considering Comp armies are often Kn heavy .. and they move like brick I still think WB are bad value . Ben PS: Warband should cream Spear and probably be...
... On what do you base this statement? Which historical interactions are you thinking of? It strikes me that if it had been as clear cut as you suggest,...
Hmmm I thought we'd established that the 'Wb beats Sp' "historical" view was in fact wrong, using Duncan's examples. Given those examples, exactly WHY should...
yes, they still have to be useful troops. Perhaps this works. Al ... make warband ineffective and then the arguments will swing back to "what can we do to...
... AFAIK we haven't established that Wb beat Sp as a matter of course at all - just that Wb beat YOUR Sp in 1 game!! :) ... There's been a school of thought...
Was not Rome sacked by the gauls during this time period?? ... On what do you base this statement? Which historical interactions are you thinking of? It...
... After the defeat at the Allia where a hastily raised Roman army was defeated after it strung itself out and was outflanked by the Gauls and rolled up. Nik...
... brick I ... which is think ... are ... you ... for ... the ... are an ... run of ... Thinking on the Frankish/Saxon/Anglo Saxon areas there is a fair ...
... And although Rome was sacked, the whole of Italy was far from "creamed" by the Gauls. It is a leap of logic to then declare that Wb "should cream Spear" on...
... It's this sort of thing that makes some of us think that Wb as a class is not really historical. The evidence for it is not very good really. Of course we...
... IIRC, the bronze chariot model from the first emperor's tomb also came equipped with a crossbow and bolts. This is a normal, hand-held weapon. Greetings ...
Sigh... The Wb didn't beat the Sp. The Sp(S) Spartiates were uphill, nevertheless, it was a fluke the Spartiates survived - if the Wb(S) general hadn't burst...
... suggest ... conclusion. ... type. ... class is ... Yes, one of the holiest of cows it would appear. Perhaps the root of the problem is that we have some...
... I think the problem has always been (from the beginning of DBM) that the introduction says that troop types are based on behaviour and then we get three...
Snip ... example, they go down quite Quickly against PK(I) in the main. Must have been your skillful play and not the troops after all Dave! ... I have also...
... <ukc802924528@b...> ... <nikgaukroger@b...> ... fair ... to ... arms,armour or ... than ... a ... really. Of ... root of ... and (I) ... etc. ... and ... ...
... the ... even ... dreaded ... the ... poor ... Well, in my experience the Macedonian Kn(F) do very well against the warbands, especially if the Macedonian...
Sorry for butting in... ...actually, when I think about the Wb controversy I always get reminded of Luke Ueda-Sarson's Middle Earth DBM army lists. There, he ...
... general ... command ... general ... remaining Sp ... have ... within ... wrong. ... than ... a ... that ... performance ... Now that got me thinking. I was...
... Ax looks good but the rough going ability and fast movement are possibly not justified. There's been a few proposals for a new troop type - Warriors or ...
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