I received this e-mail:

>In searching the web for additional information I came across
>what seems to be an *older* Cybiko developers web site
>that offers just a few more technical details - albeit perhaps
>older and slightly non-applicable info on the Cybiko device:

>http://204.176.70.215/devsarea.asp

>You will also find a Cybiko 'simulator' that requires MS VC 6.0
>at the above site - one can compile code, debug the logic on the
>PC before 'hitting the actual target'.

>They (Cybiko, the company) also seems to have used some
>development tools from 'Cygnus' -  I have not explored this
>aspect ...


Friendly Regards

Octavio Nogueira
===================================================
nogueira@...                  ICQ# 19841898
ProPic tools - low cost PIC programmer and emulator
http://www.propic2.com
===================================================

----- Original Message -----
From: <matt_10710@...>
To: <CybikoDev@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 2:17 PM
Subject: [CybikoDev] Cybiko emulator binaries


>
> I have these binaries available at
> http://www.geocities.com/matt_10710/cysdk-bin.html
>
> Looks like you are going to need a Windows compiler
> of some sort to make use of it, though -- the simulator
> runs from code in a DLL.  Maybe GCC could be finagled.
>
> This stuff looks old, though.  Where did you find that IP
> address?
>
> Matt Hill
>
> >From: "Octavio P Nogueira" <octaviopnogueira@...>
> >Subject: Re: Simulator
> >
> >I found it at http://204.176.70.215/devsarea.asp
> >
> >Thank you Jeff, but they say VC++ 6.0 or higher.
> >I've already sent the files to Brian so he will compile
> >and make it available for all of us.
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> CybikoDev-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>
>

I have these binaries available at
http://www.geocities.com/matt_10710/cysdk-bin.html

Looks like you are going to need a Windows compiler
of some sort to make use of it, though -- the simulator
runs from code in a DLL.  Maybe GCC could be finagled.

This stuff looks old, though.  Where did you find that IP
address?

Matt Hill

>From: "Octavio P Nogueira" <octaviopnogueira@...>
>Subject: Re: Simulator
>
>I found it at http://204.176.70.215/devsarea.asp
>
>Thank you Jeff, but they say VC++ 6.0 or higher.
>I've already sent the files to Brian so he will compile
>and make it available for all of us.

Hi David,

> hi  Stephanie!

Actually, this is Stephane...  Alot of english speaking people call me
Stephanie...  It has something to do with the 'e' at the end of the
name.

> I just downloaded your game and I see what you were talking about
> with the controls!! very nice!!  very fun game!  is there a way to make
> the blocks disappear/fall faster?  the game is very addictive, good job :)

Actually, there is 2 things you can do.  There is a delay of 300 ms for
the flashing blocks and the game starts with level 1.  Every time you
make 5 'yopus' (clear 4 or more balls of the same type) the level goes
up by 1 and the game becomes progresivele faster.  Now, one can change
the level in the source code to say 5 and they will start at level 5.
The next version will allow a user to pick a level to start at.  Also,
the next version will show you the yopu coming next.

BTW, thanks for the nice comments!

> can someone do the same control thing to tetris?

Sure, that would be easy!

Stephane Lajeunesse.

I found it at http://204.176.70.215/devsarea.asp

Thank you Jeff, but they say VC++ 6.0 or higher.
I've already sent the files to Brian so he will compile
and make it available for all of us.

Friendly Regards

Octavio Nogueira
===================================================
nogueira@...                  ICQ# 19841898
ProPic tools - low cost PIC programmer and emulator
http://www.propic2.com
===================================================

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Frohwein" <jeff@...>
To: <CybikoDev@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [CybikoDev] Simulator


> Hi Octavio,
>
> Octavio P Nogueira wrote:
> >
> > I've got the Cybiko emulator for PC but I need to
> > compile it with Microsoft VC++ but I don't have it.
>
>  I didn't know an emu existed. Can you say where you found it? :)
>
> > Is there anyone who could compile it and make the
> > simulator available to all?
>
>  I've got VC++ 5.0  I could try compiling it if you'd like.
>
>  Cheers,
>
>  Jeff
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> CybikoDev-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>
>

hi  Stephanie!

I just downloaded your game and I see what you were talking about
with the controls!! very nice!!  very fun game!  is there a way to make
the blocks disappear/fall faster?  the game is very addictive, good job :)

can someone do the same control thing to tetris?

keep up the great work everyone!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephane Lajeunesse" <slajeunesse@...>
To: <CybikoDev@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [CybikoDev] CybiKo C Compiler v1.0.18 Bug


> Hi David,
>
> > Is there any way you can make the controls in Tetris a bit more
sensitive?
>
> Actually, there is.  One could use the "DirectKeyboard" set of
> functions.  This looks a bit to much like "Direct X" for winblows.
> Anyways, anything that will give you an edge, one should use.
>
> Later this week, I should release Yopu which will use DirectKeyboard.
>
> Thanks,
> Stephane Lajeunesse.
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> CybikoDev-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>

Hi Octavio,

Octavio P Nogueira wrote:
>
> I've got the Cybiko emulator for PC but I need to
> compile it with Microsoft VC++ but I don't have it.

  I didn't know an emu existed. Can you say where you found it? :)

> Is there anyone who could compile it and make the
> simulator available to all?

  I've got VC++ 5.0  I could try compiling it if you'd like.

  Cheers,

  Jeff

I've got the Cybiko emulator for PC but I need to
compile it with Microsoft VC++ but I don't have it.
Is there anyone who could compile it and make the
simulator available to all?

Friendly Regards

Octavio Nogueira
===================================================
nogueira@...                  ICQ# 19841898
ProPic tools - low cost PIC programmer and emulator
http://www.propic2.com
===================================================

Hello,

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Regards,

slajeunesse@...

Hi David,

> Is there any way you can make the controls in Tetris a bit more sensitive?

Actually, there is.  One could use the "DirectKeyboard" set of
functions.  This looks a bit to much like "Direct X" for winblows.
Anyways, anything that will give you an edge, one should use.

Later this week, I should release Yopu which will use DirectKeyboard.

Thanks,
Stephane Lajeunesse.

How about implementing a top scores/lines with player names list?
that'll keep the school kids passing it back and forth trying to beat
the top score!  Keep up the great work!

               ...:::ÐâVïÐ:::...

>
>  I'm working under the name CyBuilder on it because I don't think I'll
>have time to respond to many questions about the stuff I develop for it,
>unfortunately. :(

Is there any way you can make the controls in Tetris a bit more sensitive?
its an awesome version and i'm so glad you made it, but i think it would
be better if the controls were a bit tighter and more responsive!  can this
be done at all?  keep up the awesome work!!!!  i'm just about to check
out pacman...
and hey, any thoughts on creating a bomberman clone?!?!!  :) :) :)
Best of luck to ya!!!

     ...:::ÐâVïÐ:::...

Hi to all, I think the Cybiko is a great device but,
is there any Windows simulator where I can test my
application before sending to it?

Friendly Regards

Octavio Nogueira
===================================================
nogueira@...                  ICQ# 19841898
ProPic tools - low cost PIC programmer and emulator
http://www.propic2.com
===================================================

>
>  I'm working under the name CyBuilder on it because I don't think I'll
>have time to respond to many questions about the stuff I develop for it,
>unfortunately. :(

haha, I was SO sure thatr CyBuilder was you... and now everybody know what
name you use.... might have been better to write that in a personel email :)

- Sam

I've found a bug in 'draw_lib'. This is the function to use
to draw "sprites" to the screen.

  If you wish to use the 'BM_FLIP_X' and 'BM_FLIP_Y' attributes
(for horizontal &/or vertical flip of your graphic) then make sure
that these graphics are in their own file (in the filer.list file).
and that no other extremely large graphic is in the same file.
A large graphic in the same file will cause the FLIPs to not work.
The result will be nothing drawn.

  I've spent about 4 hours on this stupid bug.

  Jeff

Hi Stephane,

Stephane Lajeunesse wrote:
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> thanks for confirming the bug... I thought I was going insane.  It actually
> took me 2-3 hours to find that bug.

  It took me about as long as well, if not longer. I finally put in some
debug code to isolate the exact problem.

> So, I see your developing for the Cybiko, what are you developing?

  Nothing really. I've just been playing with the compiler a little. :)

  Jeff

Hi Jeff,

thanks for confirming the bug... I thought I was going insane.  It actually
took me 2-3 hours to find that bug.

I had to do the same type of modification to my code.  I only had one
calculation in however.  My code was something like:

board[x][y-1]

and that would fail.

So, I see your developing for the Cybiko, what are you developing?

BTW, I will post my game and source code this weekend.  Hope you guys enjoy
Puyo!

Stephane Lajeunesse.

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Hi Guys,

  I have found that when using arrays, trying to do math
in the first parameter will produce bad code but there is no
compiler warning. I have already sent an email to Cybiko
about this.

Bad Code
--------

  int x,y,i;
  i = Test[y/4][x/4];

Good Code
---------

  int x,y,i,ox,oy;
  ox = x/4;
  oy = y/4;
  i = Test[oy][ox];

Good Code
---------

  int x,y,i,oy;
  oy = y/4;
  i = Test[oy][x/4];

  Jeff

Hi Patrick,

> Can it be a good gaming platform?

Well, I have just finished writing a small game for it.  I think it
was a "fairly" straight forward.  The only thing that I really hated,
the sprite handling.  To put it bluntly, it's a pain.  This is aimed
at teens.  Teens don't always (note the always) have a strong
knowledge of video game consoles.  In order to move a sprite from A to
B, you have to do the following:

draw background on first page
copy first page to a second page
draw sprite(s)

while sprites move do
    copy second page to first page
    draw sprite(s) to new location
done

This took me some time to figure out.  Since it has an OS on it and we
call OS functions, I would have made a simple "move_bitmap" that would
have taken care of all of the dirty-work.

> Can it be a good general-use (web browsing, FTP, email, etc)
platform?

I guess, altought at 160x100, web browsing would be painfull.  As for
FTP, one would have to port an IP stack and SLIP to the Cybiko.

> Is the keyboard usable?  Could I, say, write a lengthy note or even
> code a program on it?

I wouldn't count on this.  You REALLY need the stylus if you have
anything but tiny hands.

> How much of the functionality is hard-coded (ie, keys whose
functions
> you can't override?)

Well, some keys (top 7 keys above screen) look pretty much hard coded
in the OS but that's about it.  All other keys are fair play.

> Could a program (a game, for example) support more than two users?
> It seems like the demo games are only two-player...

I would say yes.  you can chat with more than 2 people.  It's just a
matter of coding support for more than 2 players!

Hope this helped you.  BTW, I should release my game and source code
for it sometime this weekend.  It's a puyo-puyo clone.

Stephane Lajeunesse.

I'm pretty new to the whole Cybiko (and how _do_ you pronounce that>)
thing, just having found out about it this past Thursday.

I spent the weekend reading all the docs and some of the code, and I
must say, I am intrigued.  There are a few questions I ponder, and I
was wondering if those of you here with the devices could help me out.

Can it be a good gaming platform?

Can it be a good general-use (web browsing, FTP, email, etc) platform?

Is the keyboard usable?  Could I, say, write a lengthy note or even
code a program on it?

How much of the functionality is hard-coded (ie, keys whose functions
you can't override?)

Could a program (a game, for example) support more than two users?
It seems like the demo games are only two-player...

Thanks,

Patrick Forhan.

I want to learn how to program using sdk but the help files are very
confusing. If anyone can help me I would be eternally gratefull

> >
> > Cool. BUT there must be another way to upload it to the Cybiko. I assume
> > that players dont want to install the SKD just for that.
>
>  There is a CyberLoad program that is used to download free games from
>the Cybiko site, but this program has no option for easily loading a
>user ROM from what I can tell. This program allows you to transfer
>programs from PC to Cybiko but only after you first did a
>Cybiko.com-->Cybiko and then a Cybiko-->PC transfer.

Okay, just was I was afraid of. Hmmm.


>  You can add your own game to the local Games directory but you then have
>to modify the "MyComputer.ini" file to recognize your game. You have to put
>in several lines of text to do this, which varies depending on your setup.

NO good, even more hassle than downloading the SDK. :)

>  I might post just the PC Console program on devrs.com but I'm not sure it
>other DLLs need to be installed as well for people to get that, alone, to
>work.

Okay, lets hope this will change very soon. Otherwise there is no point
really, if you wanna enter the market with your own shareware games!!! (if
there is a market).


- Sam

Sam wrote:
>
> Doh, had problems with my email server... so you can post the stuff below
> if you want :)
>
> At 11:56 07.11.00 -0600, you wrote:
> >Sam Nova wrote:
> > > Doh to the US part (Can I order through you :) but cool with the SMC slot.
> >
> >  Sure, if you want. :)
>
> Cool, I will consider it :)
>
> >  BTW, Tetris v1.0 for Cybiko is online.
> >
> >http://www.devrs.com/cybiko
>
> Cool. BUT there must be another way to upload it to the Cybiko. I assume
> that players dont want to install the SKD just for that.

  There is a CyberLoad program that is used to download free games from
the Cybiko site, but this program has no option for easily loading a
user ROM from what I can tell. This program allows you to transfer
programs from PC to Cybiko but only after you first did a
Cybiko.com-->Cybiko and then a Cybiko-->PC transfer.

  You can add your own game to the local Games directory but you then have
to modify the "MyComputer.ini" file to recognize your game. You have to put
in several lines of text to do this, which varies depending on your setup.

  I might post just the PC Console program on devrs.com but I'm not sure it
other DLLs need to be installed as well for people to get that, alone, to work.

  Jeff

At 11:56 07.11.00 -0600, you wrote:
>Sam Nova wrote:
> > Doh to the US part (Can I order through you :) but cool with the SMC slot.
>
>  Sure, if you want. :)

Cool, I will consider it :)

>  BTW, Tetris v1.0 for Cybiko is online.
>
>http://www.devrs.com/cybiko

Cool. BUT there must be another way to upload it to the Cybiko. I assume
that players dont want to install the SKD just for that.

- Sam

Sam Nova wrote:
> Doh to the US part (Can I order through you :) but cool with the SMC slot.

  Sure, if you want. :)


  BTW, Tetris v1.0 for Cybiko is online.

http://www.devrs.com/cybiko

  Jeff

click on the link to get a free Cybiko

http://www.myecamp.com/signup/index.php?up=aznkidlee

u play games to get points and use those points to redeem prizes

>
> > Do geeks play lots of games ? or are you talking about KIDS ? :)
>
>  Aren't all of us geeks always kids? :) heh...

and WE never grow up :)


> > > > It does have all that nice wireless chatting and so. But how many have
> > > been sold ?
> > > > (No fun to be the only one and chat to yourself!!!)
> > >
> > >  Good question. I would assume with the free mp3 player that they are
> > >throwing in for a short time that you might get alot of people buying
> > >it just for that feature.
> >
> > YEP. I would say so.. How much mem does it have 512 KB ? not much for a MP3
> > :) But if you then use the extra memory extension also !! or maybe the MP3
> > addon have its own memory.. Lets hope so :)
>
>  Thae part that sucks is this the free player is only offered to US
> residents.
>It comes with no memory but has an SMC slot where you can add up to 64MBytes.

Doh to the US part (Can I order through you :) but cool with the SMC slot.

> > >  The first popular, open-system handheld game system? 8)
> >
> > But if it is too open then you cant pay your bills :)
>
>  Good point...

Not that I mind cool gadgets. But in the end we need money to live for. So
my time is limited to what I can choose to work on :( Damn I hate this
sometimes.. So many ideas so many cool kits, and NO time :(

>
> > What does people think about the GP32 ? I kind of like it and would like to
> > get into that.. If I had time :(
>
>  That http://www.gp32.com site is either awful or they haven't yet
>released the thing. No real info on their site on how to get one
>as far as I can tell.

eh... did you check the site recently ? it changed a LOT. and no it is not
out yet :( (AFAIK).

It does have all the nice wireless stuff (well, short distance) and
supports download of games.... But will it ever have a market !!! Time will
tell.

But what the GamePark does that that seems to be missing from the Cybiko, a
debugger..... :( I love debuggers........

- Sam

Sam Nova wrote:
> >  I think it's one of those geek toys that every geek has to have. ;)
> >The main complaint of it seems to be that the small keyboard is
> >very hard to use. You probably have to use a stylus rather than
> >fingers to operate the letters/numbers.
>
> Do geeks play lots of games ? or are you talking about KIDS ? :)

  Aren't all of us geeks always kids? :) heh...

> > > It does have all that nice wireless chatting and so. But how many have
> > been sold ?
> > > (No fun to be the only one and chat to yourself!!!)
> >
> >  Good question. I would assume with the free mp3 player that they are
> >throwing in for a short time that you might get alot of people buying
> >it just for that feature.
>
> YEP. I would say so.. How much mem does it have 512 KB ? not much for a MP3
> :) But if you then use the extra memory extension also !! or maybe the MP3
> addon have its own memory.. Lets hope so :)

  Thae part that sucks is this the free player is only offered to US residents.
It comes with no memory but has an SMC slot where you can add up to 64MBytes.

> >  The first popular, open-system handheld game system? 8)
>
> But if it is too open then you cant pay your bills :)

  Good point...

> What does people think about the GP32 ? I kind of like it and would like to
> get into that.. If I had time :(

  That http://www.gp32.com site is either awful or they haven't yet
released the thing. No real info on their site on how to get one
as far as I can tell.

  Jeff

>
> >
> > Will the Cybiko be sold out side of the US ?
>
>  It looks like you can get it in the UK from http://www.etoys.co.uk
>I haven't located any other outside-US locations yet though.

Okay. time will tell.

>
> > Is there a market for it ?
>
>  I think it's one of those geek toys that every geek has to have. ;)
>The main complaint of it seems to be that the small keyboard is
>very hard to use. You probably have to use a stylus rather than
>fingers to operate the letters/numbers.

Do geeks play lots of games ? or are you talking about KIDS ? :)

> > It does have all that nice wireless chatting and so. But how many have
> been sold ?
> > (No fun to be the only one and chat to yourself!!!)
>
>  Good question. I would assume with the free mp3 player that they are
>throwing in for a short time that you might get alot of people buying
>it just for that feature.

YEP. I would say so.. How much mem does it have 512 KB ? not much for a MP3
:) But if you then use the extra memory extension also !! or maybe the MP3
addon have its own memory.. Lets hope so :)

> > And are there any publishers ? (any commerical games ?)
>
>  I don't think any yet except the makers.
>
>  It does sound to me, though, that this is the first hand-held
>game system(?) where it would be practical for anyone to sell their
>own game off a web site. Since every user has the ability to load
>your game, you have a market that includes all owners.

I agree..


>  The first popular, open-system handheld game system? 8)

But if it is too open then you cant pay your bills :)


What does people think about the GP32 ? I kind of like it and would like to
get into that.. If I had time :(

Cheers,

Sam

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Switzerland
Phone: +41 - 61 911 03 66
Cell phone: +41 - 79 455 71 14
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sam@...
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Hey Sam, :)

> Sam Nova wrote:
>
> Hi there
>
> Question to everybody on the list (Jeff).
>
> Will the Cybiko be sold out side of the US ?

  It looks like you can get it in the UK from http://www.etoys.co.uk
I haven't located any other outside-US locations yet though.

> Is there a market for it ?

  I think it's one of those geek toys that every geek has to have. ;)
The main complaint of it seems to be that the small keyboard is
very hard to use. You probably have to use a stylus rather than
fingers to operate the letters/numbers.

> It does have all that nice wireless chatting and so. But how many have been
sold ?
> (No fun to be the only one and chat to yourself!!!)

  Good question. I would assume with the free mp3 player that they are
throwing in for a short time that you might get alot of people buying
it just for that feature.

> And are there any publishers ? (any commerical games ?)

  I don't think any yet except the makers.

  It does sound to me, though, that this is the first hand-held
game system(?) where it would be practical for anyone to sell their
own game off a web site. Since every user has the ability to load
your game, you have a market that includes all owners.

  The first popular, open-system handheld game system? 8)

  Jeff