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The Wind and the Lion Question   Message List  
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WOW, YOU WAS A JARHEAD?



NO, i am one of the "BLACK SHEEP" of the family. like my paternal grandfather
i was a dawgface soldier in the 1st INF DIV as a grunt on one RVN tour, served
as both a garrison MP and a combat MP on my other tours. my grandpa was turned
down by the MARINES in 1916 because he was too young, so he jined the ARMY in
1917 and went to FRANCE with the AEF as a member of the 1st INF DIV. he and his
four brothers (the MARINES) saw a lot of combat, all were wounded at least
twice, and decorated for bravery underfire. my grandpa was wounded and captured
late in the GREAT WAR, reported as KIA, and returned home after the ARMASTICE
when he had recovered in a GERMAN military hosppital.


MY family is overflowing with USN, USMC, and USA veterans from every war the US
has been involved in since the SPANISH AMERICAN WAR. the NAVY and MARINES
(especially the MARINES) outnumber soldiers, hence, we are "THE BLACK SHEEP". of
course both soldiers and marines look down upon "SQUIDLEY".<:O)


DAWGIE



--- In ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com, "martinisword9" <martinisword9@...> wrote:
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> wow, you was a jarhead?
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> I was USMC 1965-1971, 0211/0251/8611 with Chinese Mandarin and Korean at DLI.
Attended CAP school in Danang for Vietnamese.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: baddawg6us
> To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 2:24 PM
> Subject: [ColonialWars] Re: The Wind and the Lion Question
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> WELL DAN DALY(i think it was him) was the USMC ranker i used as a source,
and he says he was bustin' caps into the BOXERS with a 6mm LEE straight pull
bolt action rifle, and i would tend to believe him over any other official
sources. he was there, on the wall at PEKING and not in an office compiling
official data . . .
>
> but then i am extremely doubtful about a lot of "official sources" when
compared to folks version who actually attended the dance. this is based largely
upon the plethora of inaccuracies i am always finding concerning events in the
RVN that i actually took part in, and not compiled from unit war diaries or
official histories by some one who manned the TOC at the time ,or an office
miles and maybe years away from the actual events. . . .
>
> i always get two USMC double MEDAL OF HONOR winners confused. one was an
enlisted man and the other was an officer. they were both on active duty at the
same time.
>
> if CHESTY PULLER had been more of a yes man instead of a fighting man, he
would have been a MOH, possibly a multiple MOH winner too. instead since he was
what he was and came from either VMI or THE CITADEL, he had to make do with a
mere five NAVY CROSSES . . . .
>
> DAWGIE, puting on his best barrel chested, bulldog face look, and eyeballing
the situation . . . .
>
> --- In ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com, "Graydon Gorby" <thegorb@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com, "Graydon Gorby" <thegorb@> wrote:
> >
> > > I was watching the marines double time through Tangier and found
> > > myself wondering what rifles they were carrying.
> >
> > Thanks to everyone who replied to this question.
> >
> > The answer is:
> > The U.S. Model 1896 Krag Jorgensen rifle.
> >
> > I ran across this website:
> > http://www.imfdb.com
> > Which is the Internet Movie Firearms Database. Dedicated solely to listing
the specific firearms that appeared in every movie ever made.
> >
> > Now, whether the marines in WatL should have been armed with the M1895
Navy Lee rather than the Krag is open to dispute.
> >
> > Marines in the Asiatic Fleet were issued Krags as early as 1900, four
years before the WatL takes place so it is quite likely they would have been
used.
> >
> > Regards, Graydon
> >
>
>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Hello all, I was watching the marines double time through Tangier and found myself wondering what rifles they were carrying. Figured someone on this list would...
Graydon Gorby
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Apr 16, 2009
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I believe they were 1903 Springfield rifles.   Ron V. ________________________________ From: Graydon Gorby <thegorb@...> To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com...
RON VAUGHAN
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Apr 16, 2009
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Since the Perdicaris Incident took place in May 1904 it's probably the correct rifle, depending if the Marines were issued them in time. Otherwise, the...
martinisword9
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Apr 16, 2009
6:56 pm

I thought the Lee Navy was issued in 6mm Navy, and it was issued in 1895 and continued in production until 1902. But in 1904, the Marines, being a bit behind...
Robert Campbell
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Apr 16, 2009
9:33 pm

There was of course the 1885 Remington-Lee which was used by the Navy earlier in .45/70, but the Marines used the Lee Navy in the Boxer Rebellion, so likely...
Robert Campbell
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Apr 16, 2009
9:38 pm

Hi I had an old memory of seeing pics of the Krag. I know that in the period in china, the marines and army were in mix and match uniforms, both blue and...
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Apr 17, 2009
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... Thanks to everyone who replied to this question. The answer is: The U.S. Model 1896 Krag Jorgensen rifle. I ran across this website: http://www.imfdb.com ...
Graydon Gorby
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May 17, 2009
4:50 pm

The link isn't working.  Can you please recheck it? Thanks. Bob Burke ... From: Graydon Gorby <thegorb@...> To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 17...
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May 17, 2009
9:06 pm

... I checked it and the coreect link is http://www.imfdb.org. It's a little hard to figure out but when i plugged in the name of the firearm it located the...
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May 17, 2009
10:26 pm

Jerry,   Got it.  Thanks. Bob Burke ... From: jerrylannigan <mltryhstrn@...> To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 3:26 pm Subject:...
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May 17, 2009
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WELL DAN DALY(i think it was him) was the USMC ranker i used as a source, and he says he was bustin' caps into the BOXERS with a 6mm LEE straight pull bolt...
baddawg6us
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Jul 2, 2009
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Smedley Butler Daly was in the pokey sober'n up when the fight'n broke out from what I recall...
rttakezo2000
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Jul 2, 2009
2:17 pm

Sorry, after being released from the stocks...don't mean to create confusion. Yes, Dan did receive the MOH for actions. Always wondered just how drunk he was...
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Jul 2, 2009
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wow, you was a jarhead? I was USMC 1965-1971, 0211/0251/8611 with Chinese Mandarin and Korean at DLI. Attended CAP school in Danang for Vietnamese. ... From:...
martinisword9
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Jul 2, 2009
6:22 pm

NO, i am one of the "BLACK SHEEP" of the family. like my paternal grandfather i was a dawgface soldier in the 1st INF DIV as a grunt on one RVN tour, served...
baddawg6us
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Jul 3, 2009
9:42 pm

Hi I don't remember from the movie, but they should have been carrying the 30/40 Krag-Jorgenson. They are the first of our smokeless rifles, and fairly cheap...
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RockyRusso
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Jun 30, 2009
2:57 pm

... Are you sure of that? I believe the Marines would've been armed with the Navy Winchester-Lee in 6mm. Or did they switch to the Krag after 1900?...
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Jun 30, 2009
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ROCKY, i do not remember the exact time frame of THE WIND AND THE LION, but US NAVY and USMC were still using 6-mm LEE straight pull magazine rifles during the...
baddawg6us
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Jul 1, 2009
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We had this discussion last May Try this link: http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Wind_and_the_Lion%2C_The ... From: baddawg6us To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com ...
martinisword9
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Jul 1, 2009
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Hi Oddly, the post below was one I did A LONG time ago when we were discussing the movie! Love the internet, sometimes slower than mail. Lee, on the other...
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RockyRusso
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Jul 1, 2009
5:32 am

There may be another possibility. There was another "Lee" rifle that had good stopping power from a slightly earlier time period. That was the .45/70...
Kent McClure
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Jul 3, 2009
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Hi I think the only quibble I have and had on the "Lee" is related to the movie trying to find one. Simply, what I have is that they only made 10,000 of them....
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