OK, so it looks like we're splintering into a "several sites" type of
affair. I still think it would be better if we could keep all of them
at or around the same level of challenge. In that fashion, we might
write a story arc connecting all of these locales for those who want a
mini-campaign.

For my part, I'll be providing a Village of Sorrows idea complete w/ a
witch and haunted graveyard.

all the best,
scadgrad

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OK, so it looks like we're splintering into a "several sites" type of
affair. I still think it would be better if we could keep all of them
at or around the same level of challenge. In that fashion, we might
write a story arc connecting all of these locales for those who want a
mini-campaign.

For my part, I'll be providing a Village of Sorrows idea complete w/ a
witch and haunted graveyard.

all the best,
scadgrad

I'm going to do a dragon's lair that can be placed in Blacktooth
Ridge.  I think it will be a fairly young dragon, and I'll try to tie
it in with some rumors, an interesting lair (cave, since Turanil is
doing a ruined castle), and perhaps some allies of some kind.

My idea is to provide a Blacktooth Ridge-based adventure for parties
that stay in the area or use it as a base after taking out the
monsters in the published part of the module.  The dragon may be
scripted as a recent arrival - I'll have to see how the idea develops.

I'll call it "The Recent Arrival," for ease of reference.  If anyone
has any ideas I'd love to hear them.

It's probably for adventurers of third level - I'll either go that
direction or else write one for much higher level with the assumption
that it's a "Return to Blacktooth Ridge" type of adventure.

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Turanil and others - for ease of reference, let's call Turanil's adventure "Turanil Keep."  We've got a few directions we can go: Turanil, if you'd like to write the whole thing, that would be great.  If not, you could write a quick backstory about the brigands, and the other people in the group could fill in details.

Let us know how you'd like to develop it.

Dominique Crouzet <dominique.crouzet@...> wrote:

I was more thinking about some drawings, not texts. I was also thinking making an illustration of that castle. Fact is: for me C&C is about a nostalgic game, the good old days of D&D. Reason for which I wanted to resurrect my first ever dungeon. Well, maybe I could write that entirely by myself... It was about brigands in a ruined castle, with a demon they had to feed far below.

Well, here is the original map (see attached file), I will have to redo it.

Turanil

le 1/04/05 6:34, Matt Finch ? mythmere@... a ?crit :

Hi, Turanil!!  I'm glad you came over!  How many pages do you think the description of your castle would be?  Would Scadgrad's "Castle Ruin" illustration be workable as an illustration for your adventure?

I'll also try to put something together.  I don't know what, yet, but inspiration will strike.  As soon as it does, I'll post the basic idea for comments.

Dominique Crouzet <dominique.crouzet@...> wrote:

I still have the map (although needs be redrawn) of my first D&D adventure ever (back
in 1e). It has a nostalgia value for me, so I would like to submit it again (once
redrawn). It's about a ruined castle with two or three levels under it.

Turanil

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> adventures.
>
> Our next step is to assemble the resources.  Anyone who can write a
> full 2-5 page adventure, please speak up.
>
> We will probably also need to put together at least one adventure
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I was more thinking about some drawings, not texts. I was also thinking making an illustration of that castle. Fact is: for me C&C is about a nostalgic game, the good old days of D&D. Reason for which I wanted to resurrect my first ever dungeon. Well, maybe I could write that entirely by myself... It was about brigands in a ruined castle, with a demon they had to feed far below.

Well, here is the original map (see attached file), I will have to redo it.

Turanil

le 1/04/05 6:34, Matt Finch à mythmere@... a écrit :

Hi, Turanil!!  I'm glad you came over!  How many pages do you think the description of your castle would be?  Would Scadgrad's "Castle Ruin" illustration be workable as an illustration for your adventure?

I'll also try to put something together.  I don't know what, yet, but inspiration will strike.  As soon as it does, I'll post the basic idea for comments.

Dominique Crouzet <dominique.crouzet@...> wrote:

I still have the map (although needs be redrawn) of my first D&D adventure ever (back
in 1e). It has a nostalgia value for me, so I would like to submit it again (once
redrawn). It's about a ruined castle with two or three levels under it.

Turanil

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> adventures.
>
> Our next step is to assemble the resources.  Anyone who can write a
> full 2-5 page adventure, please speak up.
>
> We will probably also need to put together at least one adventure
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> once we've got an idea of how many people will contribute a full mini-
> adventure.

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I'm going to do a dragon's lair that can be placed in Blacktooth
Ridge.  I think it will be a fairly young dragon, and I'll try to tie
it in with some rumors, an interesting lair (cave, since Turanil is
doing a ruined castle), and perhaps some allies of some kind.

My idea is to provide a Blacktooth Ridge-based adventure for parties
that stay in the area or use it as a base after taking out the
monsters in the published part of the module.  The dragon may be
scripted as a recent arrival - I'll have to see how the idea develops.

I'll call it "The Recent Arrival," for ease of reference.  If anyone
has any ideas I'd love to hear them.

It's probably for adventurers of third level - I'll either go that
direction or else write one for much higher level with the assumption
that it's a "Return to Blacktooth Ridge" type of adventure.

had another thought for the Castle ruins

watchtower/outpost on the way, ruined shell, have a
critter living in it - bear/mountain lion/troll?
something like that.

however underneath the tower is the real adventure, it
is riddled with partially flooded caves and tunnels,
not too many but enough, the floor of the keep is
dangerous in one corner (the corner the critter
doesn't go into) and the pc's if not careful go
plunging down as the floor gives way.

whats in the tunnels? I would use undead, which is an
intersting fight as you struggle to move and breathe
as they drag you down under water! also have a dry
cave accessible only by swimming through a longish
flooded tunnel - you pop up and see area which is lit
by glowing glyphs which surround a long chest, inside
the chest are 'relics' of a lost empire,
powerful/unusual magic (make it something funky - a
sword that spits lightning once a day, a cloak of
lightning resistance), problem is the glyphs hurt (a
lot!) and that the chest is protected by a summoned
demon/elemental/devil/planar beastie etc.  I would use
this as a springboard for further adventures and study
- have a theme to this one, for instance lightning,
and have the players find a similar cache in a few
levels time, this time cold for instance. Suggests
that the old empires were opposed by elemental forces
cold/fire/lighning/ice/air etc. So there are 'lots' of
these elemental ruins scattered around the place -
maybe similar ones are linked by gates, or they are
magically linked to do *something* (at the celestail
alignment/ when all the altars are blessed etc)

a campaign of exploration can take place as well as
one of roleplaying/research for the mage/clerics if
they are so inclined. Of course various other
groups/individuals will take GREAT interest in the
fighters sword that spits a lightning bolt once a
day.....  :)

cheers

Damian

--- Matt Finch <mythmere@...> wrote:
> Hi, Turanil!!  I'm glad you came over!  How many
> pages do you think the description of your castle
> would be?  Would Scadgrad's "Castle Ruin"
> illustration be workable as an illustration for your
> adventure?
>
> I'll also try to put something together.  I don't
> know what, yet, but inspiration will strike.  As
> soon as it does, I'll post the basic idea for
> comments.
>

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just a quickie off the top of my head (B4 I go on my
hols tomorrow!!)

small mini dungeons/scenarios might be better, easy to
use and fit in for a session or part thereof - just as
a starter for folks to build upon and expand to fit
their games?

something like this:

as part of the ruined castle scenario below have a sub
level accessible from the well in the courtyard, the
rusting remains of an iron ladder is discernable if
looked for, leading all the way down the well - a
locked secret door to be found half way down  (as well
as a large spider that happens to live down there in
the dark in a niche near the water and decides that
the thief picking the lock would make a nice tasty
dinner..... listen/perception roll to hear it sneaking
up etc) inside is a series of 4 chambers, a hidey-hole
of an extinct assassin cell that operated in the area
70 winters ago and who were responsible for the
killing of the local Lord and his family, sent by an
opposing faith.  Rooms are:
entry hall/rest room
Bunk room
Kitchen
Temple area

All in ruin, furniture rotting away, dusty, cold and
damp. Little in there to harm the party except one or
two traps  and for the dreaded Temple area. Dark and
dangerous (30X40 feet or so) with a reddish glow to it
- the door to enty protected by a glyph. The glow
comes from a burning shield sized disk of reddish
flame that hovers 15' above the altar - this is a gate
to the plane of fire/hell/insert appropraite place -
if the altar is disturbed and/or appropriate
rites/prayers are NOT said a hell hound/fire
snake/apprpriate monster is summoned via the fire
shield

I would make the critter just a little tougher than
the PC's to give them a good fight

Various treasures to be found include:
perfectly weighted throwing daggers (x2) increase
range by 5' (in a rotting chest in the bunk room)
copper bowl, pitcher and plate on the Altar -
intricately worked, 5 gp normally, worth 50gp to a
collector
in hidey hole in the Altar, prayer book worth 12 gp
(evil item if used by PC's - great place to put in a
unique spell), potions of invisibilty x2, cure light
x2 and fly x1

miscellaneous pots/pans/cutlery etc all tarnished in
the kitchen, except for the copper pitcher that has
minor gems set around its base and is worth 40 gp -
PC's would need to search to find this, and there is
an awful lot of mold and fungus growing in the
kitchen..... (is it dangerous/usefull? up to you!!
maybe some of the fungus can be distilled as a poison
or antidote to poison?)


Just something to play with!

hope this helps and look forward to other suggestions
when I get back next week  :)

cheers all

Damian
The Order of the Phoenix

--- Matt Finch <mythmere@...> wrote:
> Hi, Turanil!!  I'm glad you came over!  How many
> pages do you think the description of your castle
> would be?  Would Scadgrad's "Castle Ruin"
> illustration be workable as an illustration for your
> adventure?
>
> I'll also try to put something together.  I don't
> know what, yet, but inspiration will strike.  As
> soon as it does, I'll post the basic idea for
> comments.
>
> Dominique Crouzet <dominique.crouzet@...>
> wrote:
>
> I still have the map (although needs be redrawn) of
> my first D&D adventure ever (back
> in 1e). It has a nostalgia value for me, so I would
> like to submit it again (once
> redrawn). It's about a ruined castle with two or
> three levels under it.
>
> Turanil
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Hi, Turanil!!  I'm glad you came over!  How many pages do you think the description of your castle would be?  Would Scadgrad's "Castle Ruin" illustration be workable as an illustration for your adventure?

I'll also try to put something together.  I don't know what, yet, but inspiration will strike.  As soon as it does, I'll post the basic idea for comments.

Dominique Crouzet <dominique.crouzet@...> wrote:

I still have the map (although needs be redrawn) of my first D&D adventure ever (back
in 1e). It has a nostalgia value for me, so I would like to submit it again (once
redrawn). It's about a ruined castle with two or three levels under it.

Turanil

--- In CandC_Society@yahoogroups.com, "mythmere" <mythmere@y...> wrote:

> The people have spoken!  The topic for the first pdf will be mini-
> adventures.
>
> Our next step is to assemble the resources.  Anyone who can write a
> full 2-5 page adventure, please speak up.
>
> We will probably also need to put together at least one adventure
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> skills.  We'll develop the method for cooperative adventure writing
> once we've got an idea of how many people will contribute a full mini-
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I still have the map (although needs be redrawn) of my first D&D adventure ever (back
in 1e). It has a nostalgia value for me, so I would like to submit it again (once
redrawn). It's about a ruined castle with two or three levels under it.

Turanil

--- In CandC_Society@yahoogroups.com, "mythmere" <mythmere@y...> wrote:

> The people have spoken!  The topic for the first pdf will be mini-
> adventures.
>
> Our next step is to assemble the resources.  Anyone who can write a
> full 2-5 page adventure, please speak up.
>
> We will probably also need to put together at least one adventure
> cooperatively, unless at least three people volunteer their authorial
> skills.  We'll develop the method for cooperative adventure writing
> once we've got an idea of how many people will contribute a full mini-
> adventure.

I still have the map (although needs be redrawn) of my first D&D adventure ever
(back
in 1e). It has a nostalgia value for me, so I would like to submit it again
(once
redrawn). It's about a ruined castle with two or three levels under it.

Turanil

--- In CandC_Society@yahoogroups.com, "mythmere" <mythmere@y...> wrote:

> The people have spoken!  The topic for the first pdf will be mini-
> adventures.
>
> Our next step is to assemble the resources.  Anyone who can write a
> full 2-5 page adventure, please speak up.
>
> We will probably also need to put together at least one adventure
> cooperatively, unless at least three people volunteer their authorial
> skills.  We'll develop the method for cooperative adventure writing
> once we've got an idea of how many people will contribute a full mini-
> adventure.

The people have spoken!  The topic for the first pdf will be mini-
adventures.

Our next step is to assemble the resources.  Anyone who can write a
full 2-5 page adventure, please speak up.

We will probably also need to put together at least one adventure
cooperatively, unless at least three people volunteer their authorial
skills.  We'll develop the method for cooperative adventure writing
once we've got an idea of how many people will contribute a full mini-
adventure.

I vote for whatever is easiest. A mini-adventure has the goodness of
being able to include treasures, monsters, spells, and NPCs, as well
as all sortsof other things... so, that's actually the best route if
one were to think of it. However, its also the hardest to do
successfully, because adventure writing, at least to make them good,
is not simple.

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So then, folks, what sorts of spells are we looking for? Themed, I'm
supposing, but of what? Horror? Evocation? Necromancy? Illusions? I'm
game for anything, and will do any Monsters that need a write-up.

Oh... this is serleran, since my name here and my name elsewhere is
different.

So then, folks, what sorts of spells are we looking for? Themed, I'm
supposing, but of what? Horror? Evocation? Necromancy? Illusions? I'm
game for anything, and will do any Monsters that need a write-up.

Oh... this is serleran, since my name here and my name elsewhere is
different.

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> Here is our mission statement for the first pdf. A small, single-
> themed pdf, produced with high quality, posted on the TLG website,
> and above all, completed.
>
> In order to complete the goal, we need to keep as narrow a focus as
> possible.
>
> The EiC on the next pdf might choose to take a different approach,
> but my goal is to identify a small project and get it completed.
>
> In light of this objective, please restrict discussions about our
> first topic to either spells or lairs.  It isn't that other themes
> aren't excellent ideas, but they can be covered in later pdfs,
which
> there will unquestionably be.  For the time being, on this project,
> we need to focus our energy from the beginning.  I ask everyone to
> bear with me on this and in the future, because it's a big job to
> organize this many creative people into completing a single task.
I
> don't want us to spin our wheels on the choice of topic - we want
> our traction on the actual production of the pdf.
>
> Forward, Crusaders!

Spells I get, but can you define exactly what you mean by "lairs"?

Also, if you don't see me commenting on spells, it's not because I'm
not interested, but rather, it's because I don't even use the Vancian
spell system--all my magic is done with a homebrew system based on
HERO (i.e, all spells are unique creations of the individual player)--
and honsetly don't want to throw my opinions in on something I don't
even use. It'd just muck things up and be a distraction for everyone
else. ;)

Here is our mission statement for the first pdf. A small, single-
themed pdf, produced with high quality, posted on the TLG website,
and above all, completed.

In order to complete the goal, we need to keep as narrow a focus as
possible.

The EiC on the next pdf might choose to take a different approach,
but my goal is to identify a small project and get it completed.

In light of this objective, please restrict discussions about our
first topic to either spells or lairs.  It isn't that other themes
aren't excellent ideas, but they can be covered in later pdfs, which
there will unquestionably be.  For the time being, on this project,
we need to focus our energy from the beginning.  I ask everyone to
bear with me on this and in the future, because it's a big job to
organize this many creative people into completing a single task.  I
don't want us to spin our wheels on the choice of topic - we want
our traction on the actual production of the pdf.

Forward, Crusaders!

That's very kind of you Mythmere, thanks. I certainly hope we can
put together a fan-created PDF that sets a pretty high standard for
all "those other game systems." I'm looking forward to seeing what
we can accomplish.

all the best,
scadgrad

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> I am awestruck.
> This is incredible work, Scadgrad.  Beautiful work.  The Bridge is
> my favorite of the non-cartographic pieces.  Wow.

I am awestruck.
This is incredible work, Scadgrad.  Beautiful work.  The Bridge is
my favorite of the non-cartographic pieces.  Wow.

Hey Gang,

My samples are up in the Files section just so you can see the kind
of stuff I like to do (when I get time). None of the illustrations
have been published so a few of those might make worthy candidates
in spite of being a bit old.

all the best,
scadgrad

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> Agreed. I think we should give it a few days to get a good number
of people into the group here and then set some dates. I think once
we get some direction and have a real deadline to hit, we'll pick up
steam, and deliver a piece that we can all be proud of.

You should probably secure TLG's written permission to use their PI
in the product as required by the OGL before going any further. I
suspect a post from one of the Trolls would be sufficient, although
an official "permission slip" posted to the Files Section would be
even better. ;)

You'll need permission to refer to the SEIGE engine, the actual
products (e.g., C&C Player's Handbook), the product line (Castles &
Crusades), and anything else TLG designated as PI in the OGL.

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people into the group here and then set some dates. I think once we
get some direction and have a real deadline to hit, we'll pick up
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> Normally, I'm not on the computer during evenings and weekends, so
> if I appear not to be responding during these periods of thime,
> that's why.
>
> I am totally looking forward to this project, by the way!  I've
been
> really impressed with how creative all the C&C players are, and I
> can't wait to see what we can do in a cooperative endeavor.
> Matt (Mythmere)

Normally, I'm not on the computer during evenings and weekends, so
if I appear not to be responding during these periods of thime,
that's why.

I am totally looking forward to this project, by the way!  I've been
really impressed with how creative all the C&C players are, and I
can't wait to see what we can do in a cooperative endeavor.
Matt (Mythmere)