More to the point, RP does NOT have a glitch - per se - RP allows you
to select the coast in Spain to which the support is offered. Sure it doesn't
matter so the program assumes the GM knows the rules. I do not believe
that RP was made to be idiot proof. And as I have been saying for years:

"If you make something idiot proof, the idiots will proof YOU wrong."




----- Original Message ----
From: Luis <lialdamiz@...>
To: Douglas Kent <diplomacyworld@...>
Cc: Babak Talebi <babaktalebi@...>; 1200group
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Sent: Sunday, August 3, 2008 11:58:24 AM
Subject: Re: [CAT23-Ngame] A rules questions


Ok, Doug. I stand corrected. I should have checked RP before posting but
it looked sooo obvious to me. Enfin. :-[

Luis.

Douglas Kent wrote:

> This rules question comes up quite frequently. But it has been
> settled numerous times. There are two issues at work here. F Gas
> **can** support any move into Spain (and yes Luis, Realpolitik shows
> it as successful, not void, although that should not be your absolute
> judge on the subject). This is because F Gas can move to Spain. The
> logic behind this is F Gas is capable of disrupting the defenses of
> Spain, because it can move there. Coasts are not of importance in
> this matter.
>
> The confusion comes in that the reverse is NOT true. F Spa(sc) cannot
> support a move into Gascony. This is because F Spa(sc) cannot move to
> Gascony. So it cannot disrupt Gascony's defenses.
>
> If you can move to the province (Coasts are not separate provinces)
> you can support a move into it or support the unit to hold.
>
> However, F Gas cannot support F Spa(sc) to Mar. Because it cannot
> move there.
>
> As Luis said, you can generally use Realpolitik for this. His only
> mistake is saying the Realpolitik result is Void. It is not. The
> support succeeds. Go run it, Luis.
>
> Of this rule I am 100% secure.
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> How can you survive without Helpful Kitty merchandise?
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> --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Luis <lialdamiz@euskalnet .net> wrote:
>
> From: Luis <lialdamiz@euskalnet .net>
> Subject: Re: [CAT23-Ngame] A rules questions
> To: "Babak Talebi" <babaktalebi@ gmail.com>
> Cc: "1200group" <CAT23-1200@yahoogro ups.com>,
> Cat23-ngame@ yahoogroups. com, "Douglas Kent"
> <diplomacyworld@ yahoo.com>, dipknight@yahoogrou ps.com
> Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 5:31 AM
>
> Void. Gascony does not border Spain/sc and you can only support
> into provinces you are able to move in directly; for fleet
> puprposes, that affects to "semi-provinces" (coasts) too. Would it
> be A Gas S... then it would be perfectly valid.
>
> In doubt (and only for Standard Dip), run Realpolitik and see what
> happens. In this case it's void.
>
> Luis.
>
>
> Babak Talebi wrote:
>
>> Friends -
>>
>> Two dip players of some experience have come to a disagreement on
>> a rules
>> question. If you could shed light on this situation, it would be most
>> appreciated.
>>
>> *The Situation:*
>>
>> F Por to Spa(sc)
>> F Gas S F Por to Spa(sc)
>>
>> *The Question:*
>> **
>> is the order for F Gas *Void* or *Valid*
>>
>> *The Rules:*
>>
>> On page 7 in the 4th edition of the rules (
>> http://www.diplomac y-archive. com/resources/ rulebooks/
>> 2000AH4th. pdf
>> <http://www.diplomac y-archive. com/resources/ rulebooks/ 2000AH4th.
pdf>)
>> two
>> relevant quotes can be found...
>>
>> 1) "A fleet that can move to a province with two separate coasts
>> (A fleet
>> in the Mid-Atlantic for example) can support another Army or
>> Fleet into that
>> province (in this case Spain) without regard to separate
>> coastlines." (2nd
>> paragraph - 2nd column)
>>
>> 2) "The province to which a unit is providing support must be one
>> to which
>> the supporting unit could have legally moved during that turn.
>> ...Likewise a
>> Fleet in Rome could not support a unit's move to Venice because,
>> although
>> adjacent by land, the Fleet can not move to Venice from Rome." (1st
>> paragraph - 2nd column)
>>
>> *The Arguments:*
>> **
>> one reading of these rules is that "If you can move to a province
>> you can
>> support ANY action in that province. period". ie - the fleet in
>> Gas can
>> support Por to Spa(sc) because it can itself move to Spa thus
>> making the
>> support order *Valid*.
>>
>> the second reading is that since Spa(sc) is not a province that the
>> supporting unit (F Gas) 'could have legally moved' to, it is thus
>> an illegal
>> support and therefore *Void*.
>>
>> I leave this earth-shattering question to these august bodies of
>> wisdom on
>> Cat23 and look forward to reading various judicious opinions on the
>> matter. Has this been resolved elsewhere?
>>
>> I am told by my fellow diplomacy player that he is 100% positive
>> of his
>> position and since I hold him and his experience in high regard, I am
>> inclined to agree with him - but felt that due to my minor doubt,
>> I should
>> consult with the rest of the village elders first. (ps. I still
>> have not
>> told you all which position I have taken in this)
>>
>> Babak
>>
>> .
>>
>>
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