Eh.. I'd like to see a way to turn my AutoRealm world onto a sphere
of sorts.. anyone know a good way to do this?

It depends on what your world looks like at the moment. I have tools
that will do all sorts of nasty things to an image map (not the original
AuR file) to get it into a form that maps nicely onto a sphere.
   Joe Slayton

Kuiriel wrote:
>
> Eh.. I'd like to see a way to turn my AutoRealm world onto a sphere
> of sorts.. anyone know a good way to do this?

you really do get around.

Joe Slayton wrote:

>    It depends on what your world looks like at the moment. I have
> tools
> that will do all sorts of nasty things to an image map (not the
> original
> AuR file) to get it into a form that maps nicely onto a sphere.
>   Joe Slayton
>
> Kuiriel wrote:
> >
> > Eh.. I'd like to see a way to turn my AutoRealm world onto a sphere
> > of sorts.. anyone know a good way to do this?
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'm lurking in the cracks of many a project, just waiting
for a certain sequence of glyphs to be issued...
   Joe Slayton

From: "David E. Howerton" <souphard@...>
>
> you really do get around.
>
> Joe Slayton wrote:
>
> >    It depends on what your world looks like at the moment. I have
> > tools
> > that will do all sorts of nasty things to an image map (not the
> > original
> > AuR file) to get it into a form that maps nicely onto a sphere.
> >
> Kuiriel wrote:
> > >
> > > Eh.. I'd like to see a way to turn my AutoRealm world onto a sphere
> > > of sorts.. anyone know a good way to do this?




________________________________________________________________________
Now your e-mail is where you are : http://www.ridgenet.net

Hm. I've been attemping to use Gimp but I keep getting these failed
errors when I use the map-to-object plugin.. :|

I think it's because I don't have the GCK (general convenience kit)
addon, but all the links to the site which supposedly has it lead to
a dead end.

--- In AutoREALM@y..., Joe Slayton <jslayton@r...> wrote:
>   It depends on what your world looks like at the moment. I have
tools
> that will do all sorts of nasty things to an image map (not the
original
> AuR file) to get it into a form that maps nicely onto a sphere.
>   Joe Slayton
>
> Kuiriel wrote:
> >
> > Eh.. I'd like to see a way to turn my AutoRealm world onto a
sphere
> > of sorts.. anyone know a good way to do this?

That's an interesting response, but I'm not sure what to make
of it...
   I have successfully reprojected a number of people's worlds
using a little utility I wrote some time back called ReprojectImage
( http://www.ridgenet.net/~jslayton/ReprojectImage.zip ). However,
it's a Windows-only program and it's a bit of a pain to use.
I could do the work for you or suggest ways and tools that
might be of assistance, but I can't do much without an
understanding of what you currently have. Specifically, what
sort of projection are you using or is it the classic RPG "flat
map" where all distances are equal in all directions over the
surface of the map? Is it a large-scale (world or continental)
map or simply a local-area map?
   This may be getting a hair off topic, but I have resisted
plugging any commercial products. ;-)
   Joe Slayton

> From: Kuiriel <kuiriel@...>
>
> Hm. I've been attemping to use Gimp but I keep getting these failed
> errors when I use the map-to-object plugin.. :|
>
> I think it's because I don't have the GCK (general convenience kit)
> addon, but all the links to the site which supposedly has it lead to
> a dead end.
>
> --- In AutoREALM@y..., Joe Slayton <jslayton@r...> wrote:
> >   It depends on what your world looks like at the moment. I
> > have tools that will do all sorts of nasty things to an image
> > map (not the original AuR file) to get it into a form that
> > maps nicely onto a sphere.
>
> Kuiriel wrote:
> >
> > Eh.. I'd like to see a way to turn my AutoRealm world onto
> > a sphere of sorts.. anyone know a good way to do this?




________________________________________________________________________
Now your e-mail is where you are : http://www.ridgenet.net

Hi all,

I just drew some rivers on top of an existing jpg map, which i
inserted earlier at a different computer.
Then i removed the background jpg in order to transfer it to a 3,5''
disk. Now at home i just want to insert the background jpg again, but
when i open the aur file with the drawn rivers and insert the jpg
afterwards or the other way around, my rivers are not at the exact
position of the rivers in^ the background jpg.
Is there an option to move one overlay relatively to another to
adjust the drawn rivers to the background jpg? ???

I couldn't manage it.
thanks in advance.
Jan

The only way to really move an overlay with respect to another is to select
all the items in an overlay and move them.  You can do this by freezing all
the other overlays (click on the overlay's checkbox until it turns gray),
and using "Select All".  Then drag with the mouse.
--Andy Gryc
Author of AutoREALM
mailto:andy@...
http://gryc.ws



----- Original Message -----
From: "jan_dunzweiler" <jdunzweiler@...>
To: <AutoREALM@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 7:08 PM
Subject: [AutoREALM] Inserting jpg to an existing map


> Hi all,
>
> I just drew some rivers on top of an existing jpg map, which i
> inserted earlier at a different computer.
> Then i removed the background jpg in order to transfer it to a 3,5''
> disk. Now at home i just want to insert the background jpg again, but
> when i open the aur file with the drawn rivers and insert the jpg
> afterwards or the other way around, my rivers are not at the exact
> position of the rivers in^ the background jpg.
> Is there an option to move one overlay relatively to another to
> adjust the drawn rivers to the background jpg? ???
>
> I couldn't manage it.
> thanks in advance.
> Jan
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>

Im up and doing my bedtime stuff.

I got me the ol AOL thingy. God I hate AOL.
Email me, lets use this thing.
Or call me or something.

Werd.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Gryc" <andy@...>
To: <AutoREALM@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [AutoREALM] Inserting jpg to an existing map


> The only way to really move an overlay with respect to another is to
select
> all the items in an overlay and move them.  You can do this by freezing
all
> the other overlays (click on the overlay's checkbox until it turns gray),
> and using "Select All".  Then drag with the mouse.
> --Andy Gryc
> Author of AutoREALM
> mailto:andy@...
> http://gryc.ws
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jan_dunzweiler" <jdunzweiler@...>
> To: <AutoREALM@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 7:08 PM
> Subject: [AutoREALM] Inserting jpg to an existing map
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I just drew some rivers on top of an existing jpg map, which i
> > inserted earlier at a different computer.
> > Then i removed the background jpg in order to transfer it to a 3,5''
> > disk. Now at home i just want to insert the background jpg again, but
> > when i open the aur file with the drawn rivers and insert the jpg
> > afterwards or the other way around, my rivers are not at the exact
> > position of the rivers in^ the background jpg.
> > Is there an option to move one overlay relatively to another to
> > adjust the drawn rivers to the background jpg? ???
> >
> > I couldn't manage it.
> > thanks in advance.
> > Jan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

I've got a very large continental map that spans almost half the
globe.. It's pretty much the classic RPG flat map, all distances
equal in all directions over the map..

Used the projectionary software you linked to, but it doesn't exactly
turn the map into a globe.. and any icons on the map get skewed about
madly. Guess it'd have been wise for me to do the projection base
first and the features after. Bleh.

Hi all -

   I'm really new with this program, but so far I really like what I see. 
(Installing 1.20a actually solved a few major issues for me.)

Simple question:  Can you delete or move a pushpin?  I know you can make it
invisible, but can you get rid of it entirely?

- Jenn

Is there software for viewing autorealm maps only?
Will I have to make one from the source?
If so what version of delphi?


I have used the software alot, but I must confess that I have never
looked into it as a deveolper. I know delphi 5.

On Sunday, November 17, 2002, at 11:42 PM, Joe wrote:

> Is there software for viewing autorealm maps only?
> Will I have to make one from the source?
> If so what version of delphi?
>
>
> I have used the software alot, but I must confess that I have never
> looked into it as a deveolper. I know delphi 5.

If you're going to write just a viewer, could it be done from scratch
in a cross-platform language like java, python, perl, or tcl/tk? I'm
finding myself frustrated that I have to print out my maps or export as
a graphic file to take to games with me when all my other data is on my
Mac laptop but I can't make use of any AUR data on it.

___
Charles

Hard to not notice the explosive growth in the Internet economy. Ever
wondered how you could tap into it? Unicity Network provides a simple
way, and it just might be what you're looking for. Find out at
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E-mail: charlesreynolds@...

I have been looking at the java idea but I lack the skills to port it
right now. The java version would be sweet though. So far my viewer
that I built under netbeans is "buggy" at best. I was hoping somebody
already had one myself....

> If you're going to write just a viewer, could it be done from
scratch
> in a cross-platform language like java, python, perl, or tcl/tk?
I'm
> finding myself frustrated that I have to print out my maps or
export as
> a graphic file to take to games with me when all my other data is
on my
> Mac laptop but I can't make use of any AUR data on it.
>
> ___
> Charles
>
> Hard to not notice the explosive growth in the Internet economy.
Ever
> wondered how you could tap into it? Unicity Network provides a
simple
> way, and it just might be what you're looking for. Find out at
> http://www.unicitynetwork.com/reynet/
> E-mail: charlesreynolds@m...

On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 12:17 AM, Joe wrote:

> I have been looking at the java idea but I lack the skills to port it
> right now. The java version would be sweet though. So far my viewer
> that I built under netbeans is "buggy" at best. I was hoping somebody
> already had one myself....

I understand completely. Being a little frustrated that I can't do
anything with AUR stuff on my Macs, I've been debating about writing a
Delphi --> Apple Dev Tools converter and teaching myself C while trying
to port to the Mac. Then I decide that I may as well wait until all the
Windows hardcoded stuff has been removed by the Linux(Kylix) team
before I start. Yes, I've emailed Borland and they have no intention of
ever supporting the Mac in any fashion, including a project file
converter.

Of course, if there's anybody on the list who knows the Apple Dev Tools
(OS X) and Delphi project file structures and wants to help write
something up to convert the project files, that would get everyone that
much closer to a Mac port...


__
Charles

Interested in natural health solutions that are founded in advanced
science?
Then check out http://www.reynet.org/
E-mail: charlesreynolds@...

I am going to work on the java port. The thing I like about the
veiwer concept I am working on is that the links and layers on the
map can be encoded with passwords for pbem games. I wonder about java
and mac os x? I have heard mixed reviews. Is there anything that I
should  be wary of? Some of my players use macs.

--- In AutoREALM@y..., "B. Charles Reynolds" <charlesreynolds@m...>
wrote:
>
> On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 12:17 AM, Joe wrote:
>
> > I have been looking at the java idea but I lack the skills to
port it
> > right now. The java version would be sweet though. So far my
viewer
> > that I built under netbeans is "buggy" at best. I was hoping
somebody
> > already had one myself....
>
> I understand completely. Being a little frustrated that I can't do
> anything with AUR stuff on my Macs, I've been debating about
writing a
> Delphi --> Apple Dev Tools converter and teaching myself C while
trying
> to port to the Mac. Then I decide that I may as well wait until all
the
> Windows hardcoded stuff has been removed by the Linux(Kylix) team
> before I start. Yes, I've emailed Borland and they have no
intention of
> ever supporting the Mac in any fashion, including a project file
> converter.
>
> Of course, if there's anybody on the list who knows the Apple Dev
Tools
> (OS X) and Delphi project file structures and wants to help write
> something up to convert the project files, that would get everyone
that
> much closer to a Mac port...
>
>
> __
> Charles
>
> Interested in natural health solutions that are founded in advanced
> science?
> Then check out http://www.reynet.org/
> E-mail: charlesreynolds@m...

Hi all,

I am pretty new to the programm and now i inserted some trees and
mountains from the symbols list and when i looked at the file size,
it was about 13 Mb. When i am editing the map it takes awful long to
apply changes or adding object etc. Why does the file blow up so much?
Is it just because of the symbols? Is there a better way to insert
mountains, trees etc. ?
Thanks

Jan

On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 12:40 AM, Joe wrote:

> I am going to work on the java port. The thing I like about the
> veiwer concept I am working on is that the links and layers on the
> map can be encoded with passwords for pbem games. I wonder about java
> and mac os x? I have heard mixed reviews. Is there anything that I
> should  be wary of? Some of my players use macs.

If you stick to Java2 (Sun JDK 1.3.x - don't even think about using MS
Java and hope it'll work on a Mac or anything non-Windows for that
matter) everything *should* be okay. Some users will not have upgraded
to 1.4 yet, but OS X 10.1 and 10.2 ship with 1.3.1. OS 8.x/9.x have
1.3.1 available, but I think not 1.4.

Java GUI code is a little slow and unstable on Macs - SWING more so
than AWT. If you can separate out the GUI layer from the core
functionality layer, someone can code it to directly access Carbon
widgets (I think - not absolutely certain) which would greatly improve
both execution speed and stability. I've never written anything more
fancy than "Hello World" in Java so I don't know how much help I can be
beyond testing, but that I will happily do for you.

> --- In AutoREALM@y..., "B. Charles Reynolds" <charlesreynolds@m...>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 12:17 AM, Joe wrote:
>>
>>> I have been looking at the java idea but I lack the skills to
> port it
>>> right now. The java version would be sweet though. So far my
> viewer
>>> that I built under netbeans is "buggy" at best. I was hoping
> somebody
>>> already had one myself....
>>
>> I understand completely. Being a little frustrated that I can't do
>> anything with AUR stuff on my Macs, I've been debating about
> writing a
>> Delphi --> Apple Dev Tools converter and teaching myself C while
> trying
>> to port to the Mac. Then I decide that I may as well wait until all
> the
>> Windows hardcoded stuff has been removed by the Linux(Kylix) team
>> before I start. Yes, I've emailed Borland and they have no
> intention of
>> ever supporting the Mac in any fashion, including a project file
>> converter.
>>
>> Of course, if there's anybody on the list who knows the Apple Dev
> Tools
>> (OS X) and Delphi project file structures and wants to help write
>> something up to convert the project files, that would get everyone
> that
>> much closer to a Mac port...
>>
>>
>> __
>> Charles
>>
>> Interested in natural health solutions that are founded in advanced
>> science?
>> Then check out http://www.reynet.org/
>> E-mail: charlesreynolds@m...

___
Charles

Would you like to be in control of your time, finances and life? Then
check out
http://www.reygroup.net
E-mail: charlesreynolds@...

> Simple question:  Can you delete or move a pushpin?  I know you can make
it invisible, but can you get rid of it entirely?

There isn't any difference between making the pushpin invisible (by
unchecking it) and removing it.  Both accomplish the same thing.  To move
it, just re-place it somewhere else.

--Andy Gryc
Author of AutoREALM
mailto:andy@...
http://gryc.ws

> I am pretty new to the programm and now i inserted some trees and
> mountains from the symbols list and when i looked at the file size,
> it was about 13 Mb. When i am editing the map it takes awful long to
> apply changes or adding object etc. Why does the file blow up so much?
> Is it just because of the symbols? Is there a better way to insert
> mountains, trees etc. ?
> Thanks

Right now, every symbol that you insert inserts a copy of the symbol into
the map.  That may get fixed at some point to display multiple versions on
the map with a single copy of the symbol, but not in the near term.  So your
only option is to create (or use) symbols that are "lightweight".

--Andy Gryc
Author of AutoREALM
mailto:andy@...
http://gryc.ws

> Okay now, lightweight symbols mean = no color, no fancy stuff, just
> plain lines.....etc.

Line styles & colors don't matter--a byte gets stored per object
regardless.  Fractal lines are the same size too (although slower to
draw) as normal lines, and are probably the best "bang for the buck" for
small sized icons.  The really boring "black&white" icons that I
provided with the first release are small too; they're defined in a ttf
font, so add very little to a map when used.

There isn't any way now to see how big each symbol is, but you can look
at the size of the .aus files in the library directory to get an idea of
the general size of the group.
--Andy Gryc
mailto:andy@...
http://gryc.ws

--- In AutoREALM@y..., "jan_dunzweiler" <jdunzweiler@g...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> When i am editing the map it takes awful long to
> apply changes or adding object etc.

l was a former Campaign Cartographer 5 user before l found AuR.
l'd the same problem than you with the slow drawing of maps, using
elaborated AuR symbols, and l didn't know how CC was so fast and AuR
wasn't.
So l disected almost every CC symbol to find the "secret" and l found
it:
Every CC symbol is made with a minimal number of points, line and
colors, but once drawn in number, they've a very good look.

To be convinced clic on file>creations>pangheia_sample.gif
It's a details of a big map l've drawn using modified CC symbols in
AUR.
Also, l've added some "exploded" trees and mountains for you to see
how they are made (named sample_symbols.gif)

Hope that helps.
Regards

Thanks,

Right now i just threw out every symbol to do the raw stuff and later
i will try to create similar symbols like ozzyryder told me. As i am
new to the program, how can i add my own symbols to the program??
Regards Jan



--- In AutoREALM@y..., "ozzyryder2000" <ozzy@e...> wrote:
> --- In AutoREALM@y..., "jan_dunzweiler" <jdunzweiler@g...> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > When i am editing the map it takes awful long to
> > apply changes or adding object etc.
>
> l was a former Campaign Cartographer 5 user before l found AuR.
> l'd the same problem than you with the slow drawing of maps, using
> elaborated AuR symbols, and l didn't know how CC was so fast and
AuR
> wasn't.
> So l disected almost every CC symbol to find the "secret" and l
found
> it:
> Every CC symbol is made with a minimal number of points, line and
> colors, but once drawn in number, they've a very good look.
>
> To be convinced clic on file>creations>pangheia_sample.gif
> It's a details of a big map l've drawn using modified CC symbols in
> AUR.
> Also, l've added some "exploded" trees and mountains for you to see
> how they are made (named sample_symbols.gif)
>
> Hope that helps.
> Regards

> new to the program, how can i add my own symbols to the program??

Add / edit the feature on a map, then press Ctrl+D (or click on the
"Book +" icon, or there's a menu item for Define Symbol too, but I don't
have it in front of me...)

You'll get a dialog to name and organize your symbol into a group.  You
can create a new group from the main library dialog.
--Andy Gryc
mailto:andy@...
http://gryc.ws

Hello everyone ... I've just gotten AutoRealm with the hopes of
FINALLY being able to map my fantasy world.  That said, I am a bit
daunted by the program.  I tend toward impatience and like to learn
as I go but that may not work here.  And I've not had a lot of time
yet to play so I might answer all my questions eventually but thought
I'd pop in for some advice.

What's the best way to learn this thing?  Typically manuals don't
help me much ... is there any kind of tutorial available for this?

Thanks!

I saw an article
(http://www7b.software.ibm.com/dmdd/library/techarticle/0211swart/
0211swart2.html?t=gr,lnxw07=Win2Linux) referenced while I was reading
at OSNews.com  (http://www.osnews.com).

I read the article a little and noticed that it seems mostly to
showcase the way Borland's products work nicely with DB2 (IBM's
database product) across platforms, but there might be something in
there that I missed which could be of use to the Linux porting team.

___
Charles

"Prayer has no place in Public School, Just like Facts have no place in
Organized Religion"
	  - Simpsons

Greetings!

I just downloaded v1.20 a few days ago and I've been experimenting.
One thing I'm really interested in is making my own symbols.

The FAQ file says "bitmaps bad", so I was just wondering what format
is most acceptable.  Also, what application is best for producing the
graphics?

I keep seeing references to v1.21.  Is that version going to require a
full download, or will it be a patch file?

Well, that's enough to start with.  See ya in the funny papers!

GH

"Who was that masked man?"
"Beats me... what's for dinner?"

> The FAQ file says "bitmaps bad", so I was just wondering what format
> is most acceptable.  Also, what application is best for producing the
> graphics?

AutoREALM, of course!  Although you can make bitmap symbols, they just
aren't editable (color or otherwise), and they take up a lot of memory.
For other symbols, just draw the symbol in AutoREALM, select it, and hit
Ctrl+D to define the symbol.


>
> I keep seeing references to v1.21.  Is that version going to require a
> full download, or will it be a patch file?

Almost all distributions have been an entire install.  Occasionally, a
minor release (usually to correct a mistake) has been just the
executable.  No patch distributions to date.
--Andy Gryc
mailto:andy@...
http://gryc.ws

--- In AutoREALM@y..., "Andy Gryc" <andy@g...> wrote:
>AutoREALM, of course!  Although you can make bitmap symbols,
>they just aren't editable (color or otherwise), and they take
>up a lot of memory.  For other symbols, just draw the symbol
>in AutoREALM, select it, and hit Ctrl+D to define the symbol.

Okay, that makes sense. What graphics format does AutoREALM use?
I'm more familiar with another graphics program, and it saves
files in a wide variety of formats.

> Almost all distributions have been an entire install.
>Occasionally, a minor release (usually to correct a mistake)
>has been just the executable.  No patch distributions to date.

Well, I was just wondering anyway.

Take care, Y'All!

GH

"Who was that masked man?"
"I dunno... he was wearing a mask."

--- In AutoREALM@y..., "generic_hero" <generic_hero@y...> wrote:
> Okay, that makes sense. What graphics format does AutoREALM use?
> I'm more familiar with another graphics program, and it saves
> files in a wide variety of formats.
to import the CC2 symbols and modify them slightly to my own use,
l've used EPS fromet.
It works fine.

regards