Certificates structure summary Is there anywhere a summary of certificates structure for various companies in 18xx games? By a certificates structure of a...
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hdoong
Dec 1, 2011 9:30 am
Hi, Many thanks for your clarifications. I will have a session report posted once we get to play it. Ho....
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Dr.Martin.Brumm@...
marbrumm
Dec 1, 2011 10:07 am
(7) in 1880 the certificate representing the president might be a 20% 30% or 40% share determined from the building rights the company wants to obtain. Von:...
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Adam Badura
badura.adam
Dec 1, 2011 10:14 am
... I don't know 1880 yet I knew there are some tricks with certificates there. However this is just a special case of (3) (non-20% presidential certificate)...
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Erik Vos
evos237
Dec 1, 2011 10:29 am
(8) Sometimes (like in 1826, 18FL, and several other Hecht games) the certificate structure changes during the game. E.g. companies start with 20% shares (with...
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Adam Badura
badura.adam
Dec 1, 2011 10:34 am
... Indeed! I forgot to mention that case. Another example in this group could be 1873 Harzbahn that allows to split 50% -> 20% -> 10%. This is done either by...
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John S Jones
jsjones43
Dec 1, 2011 10:48 am
I believe in 1835 2 companies are the traditional 20%/10%x8 3 companies are 20%x2/10%x6 2 companies are 20%x3/10%x4 1 company is 10%x8/5%x4 John ... ...
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Lou Jerkich
jerkich
Dec 1, 2011 12:31 pm
Carl Burger's 1831 has the greatest difference of which I'm aware. Each of the 30 companies has five 10% shares of common stock. The remaining 50% of preferred...
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Lou Jerkich
jerkich
Dec 1, 2011 12:41 pm
Correction: In Carl Burger's 1831, a 25% preferred stock certificate can be sold, leaving the owner of the other 25% holding the presidency. (I'm not good at...
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Bjoern Rabenstein
ursuscorvusl...
Dec 1, 2011 1:00 pm
Has anybody mentioned 1873 yet? Mining companies start with 2x 50%. By issuing shares, they are converted into 5x 20% and then 10x 10%. Railroad companies...
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David Hecht
dhecht05
Dec 1, 2011 2:07 pm
Interesting observation and one that you should ponder the significance of. Short answer--no, you have to have an actual route to the local company, not just...
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Rick Westerman
rpwesterm
Dec 1, 2011 2:43 pm
... Certainly. I just wanted to make sure that the rules were indeed complete. As I think I mentioned we are slowly winding our way through our first play...
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John A. Tamplin
john_a_tamplin
Dec 1, 2011 3:40 pm
1844 has 4-share companies, so the presidency is 50% and the other two shares are 25%. 18MEX has some exchange shares that are half shares, worth 5% each. -- ...
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Rick Westerman
rpwesterm
Dec 1, 2011 3:41 pm
... Actually now that I have my coffee, #7 runs for 80 in phase 3. 30 for NYC, 30 for New Haven, 10 for Poughkeepsie, 10 for token bonus. Makes it even...
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David Hecht
dhecht05
Dec 1, 2011 3:45 pm
All excellent points, Rick. The fact is, when I've tabled this it has proven relatively easy to explain, since most of the rules explanation took the form of...
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David Hecht
dhecht05
Dec 1, 2011 3:56 pm
In summary: 1. In all games that have share companies (all of them, I believe), share companies have anywhere from two to twenty shares. 2. The President's...
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Rick Westerman
rpwesterm
Dec 1, 2011 4:17 pm
... Actually I am finding the LGCs in PA to be interestingly different than in 18West. This stems from the lack of track profits filtering back to the company...
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David Hecht
dhecht05
Dec 1, 2011 4:38 pm
Indeed, I mostly meant in terms of game mechanics rather than strategic implications....
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Bjoern Rabenstein
ursuscorvusl...
Dec 1, 2011 4:50 pm
... If you want to count in the borderline cases: In "Ur 1830BC", companies (called countries) have 11 shares each, with the exception of Elam, which has 12. ...
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Nick Wedd
maproom
Dec 1, 2011 4:58 pm
... In "Poseidon";, companies (called kingdoms) start by issuing an odd number not less than five of shares (called merchants), and can issue more later. It...
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daveberry33
Dec 1, 2011 5:38 pm
In 1825, minor companies have 40% (presidential - 4 shares) and 3 x 20% (2 shares), so this is a special case of (4). Note that it is not the same as 5-share...
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Ian D Wilson
ianwilson156...
Dec 1, 2011 5:42 pm
18US also has companies with 50%(president) + 2x25%. Â 1837 has three companies which are 10x10%. It also has two companies 25%(director) + 1x25%. Â To...
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Ian D Wilson
ianwilson156...
Dec 1, 2011 6:08 pm
... Most designers have rejected this approach; one reason is that players' arithmetical ability isn't always that good. For example, how quickly can you do...
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Bjoern Rabenstein
ursuscorvusl...
Dec 1, 2011 6:17 pm
... That is indeed a problem in "Ur 1830 BC", but not in "Rolling Stock" (and neither in "Poseidon"; - thanks, Nick, for mentioning it, I completely forgot...
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Nick Wedd
maproom
Dec 1, 2011 7:05 pm
... When I was running the "rules difference list" I considered adding a section for this, and decided not to. Reading the thread above reminds me why. Nick ...
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David Hecht
dhecht05
Dec 1, 2011 7:15 pm
1. Don't consider Ur:1830 an 18xx game. 2. Never even heard of Rolling Stock, can't assess it....
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Ian D Wilson
ianwilson156...
Dec 1, 2011 9:00 pm
... This idea has been discussed before, I think. Try it out with a few Ditherers who are also bad at basic math. You will learn why this is definitely...
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John A. Tamplin
john_a_tamplin
Dec 1, 2011 9:12 pm
... 18NY has a variant, which is in addition to pay full or withhold full, you may pay exactly the amount necessary to move up in the stock market. -- John A....
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Ian D Wilson
ianwilson156...
Dec 1, 2011 9:37 pm
... There are plenty of 18xx titles where you can split the dividend as well as pay full or withhold. This 18NY variant still only has three choices. That can...
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JC Lawrence
clearclaw
Dec 1, 2011 9:38 pm
... I'm now a little over half-a-dozen plays into Rolling Stock. The problem you mention is largely not a problem for the simple reason that most players will...
