When a player leaves a game, how should you treat their positions?
I guess the best thing is to find a replacement player, but that could
be difficult.

What if the player is president of a company?
What if the player is the sole shareholder of a company?
If he has 2+ shares of a company, and the president sells down so that
he becomes the majority holder, what happens?


   Beard, Bruce D. skrev:
>
>
> Two players, unfortunately, left games in progress.
>
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yes,

the pre-GenCon 18xx convention.  I was wondering since we were getting reports
from WBC that someone there would post info as well.

Bob S.

--- In 18xx@yahoogroups.com, "thomas wall hannaford, jr." <twall1958@...> wrote:
>
> Robert, are you referring to MidSumCon? If so, we'll need Anthony Carver (and
other attendees) to file a report about this convention. -TWHJr
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Robert Schroeder <hzark10@...>
> To: 18xx@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:48 PM
> Subject: [18xx] SummerCon
>
>
>  
> Just curious,
>
> what has been played?
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

> When a player leaves a game, how should you treat their positions?
> I guess the best thing is to find a replacement player, but that could
> be difficult.

Some years ago I was running a tournament.  One of the players had brought
his wife along, she to go shopping while he played 18xx.  Midway through a
game of 1856 the news came through that she'd had some sort of turn in the
street and had been carted off to hospital.  Ever the gentleman, he rushed
off to offer succour.

Without consulting the TD, the rest of the players ran his position by
consensus until the game ended.  He finished with the best result for any
game of 1856 during the whole weekend, and won a small prize for it.

I suppose if a player absents himself for less acceptable reasons, you could
always apply postal NMR! rules--his companies do nothing save pay dividends
if possible, and buy trains only when forced.  In stock rounds they buy
nothing.  Forced stock sales happen in price order if raising cash, reverse
price order (but not non-counting shares) if over limit.  Either way, stock
in other players' companies gets sold first.

--
Steve Thomas  maisnestce@...

Bob,

I am flying to Chicago at 6am Tuesday and will attend the last day of MidSumCon.
A friend of mine reports:

-4-5 tables of going at a time (not sure if this is all 18XX or if he is
including crayon games and such

-1870 is the most played game

-1858(Spain), 1880 (China), 1817, NAC, EU, 61 & 65 (Sardinia) all have been
played

-Bruce
________________________________
From: 18xx@yahoogroups.com [18xx@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Schroeder
[hzark10@...]
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 6:34 AM
To: 18xx@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [18xx] Re: MidSumCon



Yes,

the pre-GenCon 18xx convention. I was wondering since we were getting reports
from WBC that someone there would post info as well.

Bob S.

--- In 18xx@yahoogroups.com<mailto:18xx%40yahoogroups.com>, "thomas wall
hannaford, jr." <twall1958@...> wrote:
>
> Robert, are you referring to MidSumCon? If so, we'll need Anthony Carver (and
other attendees) to file a report about this convention. -TWHJr
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Robert Schroeder <hzark10@...>
> To: 18xx@yahoogroups.com<mailto:18xx%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:48 PM
> Subject: [18xx] SummerCon
>
>
> Â
> Just curious,
>
> what has been played?
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Several Crayon games have been played as well. India and Europe I think.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 1, 2011, at 6:55 AM, "Beard, Bruce D." <bruce_d_beard@...> wrote:

> Bob,
>
> I am flying to Chicago at 6am Tuesday and will attend the last day of
MidSumCon.  A friend of mine reports:
>
> -4-5 tables of going at a time (not sure if this is all 18XX or if he is
including crayon games and such
>
> -1870 is the most played game
>
> -1858(Spain), 1880 (China), 1817, NAC, EU, 61 & 65 (Sardinia) all have been
played
>
> -Bruce
> ________________________________
> From: 18xx@yahoogroups.com [18xx@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Schroeder [hzark10@...]
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 6:34 AM
> To: 18xx@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [18xx] Re: MidSumCon
>
>
>
> Yes,
>
> the pre-GenCon 18xx convention. I was wondering since we were getting reports
from WBC that someone there would post info as well.
>
> Bob S.
>
> --- In 18xx@yahoogroups.com<mailto:18xx%40yahoogroups.com>, "thomas wall
hannaford, jr." <twall1958@...> wrote:
>>
>> Robert, are you referring to MidSumCon? If so, we'll need Anthony Carver (and
other attendees) to file a report about this convention. -TWHJr
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Robert Schroeder <hzark10@...>
>> To: 18xx@yahoogroups.com<mailto:18xx%40yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:48 PM
>> Subject: [18xx] SummerCon
>>
>>
>> Â
>> Just curious,
>>
>> what has been played?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> This is a message from the 18xx mailing list.Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

--- Jim Knight <james.knight19@...> wrote:
>
> Tile #51 is a definite no (IMHO) even though it adds a new piece of track it
doesn't increase revenue. I would say if an upgrade is allowed then #168 is it
as it preserves existing track (doesn't add new track) and increases revenue to
£70 from £50. This follows the general  principal that a company may upgrade
a station tile to merely increase revenue, but not necessarily lay new track.
>
> However, I say this in the complete knowledge that I have no insight into
Francis' thinking with regard to this tile. It may be, as I feel personally,
that #174 has no legal upgrade. This is the way I play this tile.until I hear
otherwise. Keith Thomasson doesn't have it listed on the FWTWR website tile
sheets for 1825 so he might not know either.
>
The only legal upgrade of the other #52 promotions (#64-68) is #167.
Since this does not maintain track, I would agree that #174 does not have a grey
upgrade.

--- In 18xx@yahoogroups.com, "dave4b" <walamalaysia@...> wrote:
> The only legal upgrade of the other #52 promotions (#64-68) is #167.
> Since this does not maintain track, I would agree that #174 does
> not have a grey upgrade.

That's not correct.  The 1825 Phase Four kit (K3) allows #66 to promote to #168.

Dave.

Hi everyone,
I'm looking for 18XX players in Paris or near Chelles (77, east surburb).
I've got 1870 and a home version of 18AL and 18GA.

--
Kévin CIVY
0677706012
kevin.civy@...

Pickup games of 1865, 1880 and possibly others.

SEMIS:
1856 Spencer Hamblen beat Daniel Barnes by $170

1830 Fabio P. beat Andy Roosen by $4!!!!

1830- Ken Guthermuth and Bruce Beard won comfortably.

FINAL- Very unusual.  NYC was not green until after D bought.  2 of the 4
players had 1 RR each (and finished 1st and 4th).  One player bought 4 of the 5
3Ts (and finished 2nd).

1. Bruce Beard
2. Spencer Hamblen
3. Fabio P.
4. Ken G.

We had players from US, Canada, Italy, England, Austria, Finland and Japan!

-Bruce

The game auctionn at WBC had several 18xx titles including 1832, 1850, 18FL,
18MEX, 1829, Steam over Holland, 18C2C (looked like one produced by Mark and not
a print and play version) and.........a complete set with all the expansions of
1825. The later has found a new home in my collection.


There has been 18xx going on pretty constantly in the open gaming area. Games I
have seen played include 1861, 18ARD, 1865, and 1830. I have a game of 18FL
setup for Sunday with some of the newer players and hope to get an 1824 in this
week.

Hopefully with GENCON moving back to its traditional week next year more 18xx
players can attend the WBC.


--------------------------------------------
Tom McCorry

Sent from my iPad

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Partly from observatins today and partly word of mouth.  I think they had 27
people at MidSumCon:

A mix of PBers and 18XXers.

The had 3 tables of 18xx AND TWO OF pb GOING MOST OF TODAY.

1817 was played 7 times
1865
18MI
1870
1830
1861
1846
1826
NAC
1880
ARD
18PA

all got played over the 4 days.

I played 4 games today.

-Bruce
________________________________
From: 18xx@yahoogroups.com [18xx@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred B. Campbell,
Jr. [fbcjr@...]
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 9:05 AM
To: 18xx@yahoogroups.com
Cc: 18xx@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [18xx] Re: MidSumCon



Several Crayon games have been played as well. India and Europe I think.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 1, 2011, at 6:55 AM, "Beard, Bruce D."
<bruce_d_beard@...<mailto:bruce_d_beard%40mcpsmd.org>> wrote:

> Bob,
>
> I am flying to Chicago at 6am Tuesday and will attend the last day of
MidSumCon. A friend of mine reports:
>
> -4-5 tables of going at a time (not sure if this is all 18XX or if he is
including crayon games and such
>
> -1870 is the most played game
>
> -1858(Spain), 1880 (China), 1817, NAC, EU, 61 & 65 (Sardinia) all have been
played
>
> -Bruce
> ________________________________
> From: 18xx@yahoogroups.com<mailto:18xx%40yahoogroups.com>
[18xx@yahoogroups.com<mailto:18xx%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Robert
Schroeder [hzark10@...<mailto:hzark10%40aol.com>]
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 6:34 AM
> To: 18xx@yahoogroups.com<mailto:18xx%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [18xx] Re: MidSumCon
>
>
>
> Yes,
>
> the pre-GenCon 18xx convention. I was wondering since we were getting reports
from WBC that someone there would post info as well.
>
> Bob S.
>
> --- In
18xx@yahoogroups.com<mailto:18xx%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:18xx%40yahoogroups.co\
m>, "thomas wall hannaford, jr." <twall1958@...> wrote:
>>
>> Robert, are you referring to MidSumCon? If so, we'll need Anthony Carver (and
other attendees) to file a report about this convention. -TWHJr
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Robert Schroeder <hzark10@...>
>> To:
18xx@yahoogroups.com<mailto:18xx%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:18xx%40yahoogroups.co\
m>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:48 PM
>> Subject: [18xx] SummerCon
>>
>>
>> Â
>> Just curious,
>>
>> what has been played?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> This is a message from the 18xx mailing list.Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Forgive the ignorance, but what's pb?

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 06:11, Beard, Bruce D. <bruce_d_beard@...> wrote:
> Partly from observatins today and partly word of mouth.  I think they had 27
people at MidSumCon:
>
> A mix of PBers and 18XXers.
>
> The had 3 tables of 18xx AND TWO OF pb GOING MOST OF TODAY.
>
> 1817 was played 7 times
> 1865
> 18MI
> 1870
> 1830
> 1861
> 1846
> 1826
> NAC
> 1880
> ARD
> 18PA
>
> all got played over the 4 days.
>
> I played 4 games today.
>
> -Bruce
> ________________________________
> From: 18xx@yahoogroups.com [18xx@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred B.
Campbell, Jr. [fbcjr@...]
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 9:05 AM
> To: 18xx@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: 18xx@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [18xx] Re: MidSumCon
>
>
>
> Several Crayon games have been played as well. India and Europe I think.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 1, 2011, at 6:55 AM, "Beard, Bruce D."
<bruce_d_beard@...<mailto:bruce_d_beard%40mcpsmd.org>> wrote:
>
>> Bob,
>>
>> I am flying to Chicago at 6am Tuesday and will attend the last day of
MidSumCon. A friend of mine reports:
>>
>> -4-5 tables of going at a time (not sure if this is all 18XX or if he is
including crayon games and such
>>
>> -1870 is the most played game
>>
>> -1858(Spain), 1880 (China), 1817, NAC, EU, 61 & 65 (Sardinia) all have been
played
>>
>> -Bruce
>> ________________________________
>> From: 18xx@yahoogroups.com<mailto:18xx%40yahoogroups.com>
[18xx@yahoogroups.com<mailto:18xx%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Robert
Schroeder [hzark10@...<mailto:hzark10%40aol.com>]
>> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 6:34 AM
>> To: 18xx@yahoogroups.com<mailto:18xx%40yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: [18xx] Re: MidSumCon
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes,
>>
>> the pre-GenCon 18xx convention. I was wondering since we were getting reports
from WBC that someone there would post info as well.
>>
>> Bob S.
>>
>> --- In
18xx@yahoogroups.com<mailto:18xx%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:18xx%40yahoogroups.co\
m>, "thomas wall hannaford, jr." <twall1958@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Robert, are you referring to MidSumCon? If so, we'll need Anthony Carver
(and other attendees) to file a report about this convention. -TWHJr
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Robert Schroeder <hzark10@...>
>>> To:
18xx@yahoogroups.com<mailto:18xx%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:18xx%40yahoogroups.co\
m>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:48 PM
>>> Subject: [18xx] SummerCon
>>>
>>>
>>> Â
>>> Just curious,
>>>
>>> what has been played?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> This is a message from the 18xx mailing list.Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> This is a message from the 18xx mailing list.Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

The first thing that springs to mind is Pax Britannica...


Edward S. Rustin skrev:
>
>
> Forgive the ignorance, but what's pb?
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 06:11, Beard, Bruce D.
> <bruce_d_beard@... <mailto:bruce_d_beard%40mcpsmd.org>> wrote:
> > Partly from observatins today and partly word of mouth.  I think
> they had 27 people at MidSumCon:
> >
> > A mix of PBers and 18XXers.
> >
> > The had 3 tables of 18xx AND TWO OF pb GOING MOST OF TODAY.
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Puffing Billy??

Robert Schroeder

--- In 18xx@yahoogroups.com, Björn Westling <bwestling@...> wrote:
>
> The first thing that springs to mind is Pax Britannica...
>
>
> Edward S. Rustin skrev:
> >
> >
> > Forgive the ignorance, but what's pb?
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 06:11, Beard, Bruce D.
> > <bruce_d_beard@... <mailto:bruce_d_beard%40mcpsmd.org>> wrote:
> > > Partly from observatins today and partly word of mouth.  I think
> > they had 27 people at MidSumCon:
> > >
> > > A mix of PBers and 18XXers.
> > >
> > > The had 3 tables of 18xx AND TWO OF pb GOING MOST OF TODAY.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Yes.  Puffing Billy.  Crayon games, Silverton, UP, TranAmerica, Ticket to Ride,
etc.

-Bruce
________________________________
From: 18xx@yahoogroups.com [18xx@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Schroeder
[hzark10@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 6:43 AM
To: 18xx@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [18xx] Re: MidSumCon



Puffing Billy??

Robert Schroeder

--- In 18xx@yahoogroups.com<mailto:18xx%40yahoogroups.com>, Björn Westling
<bwestling@...> wrote:
>
> The first thing that springs to mind is Pax Britannica...
>
>
> Edward S. Rustin skrev:
> >
> >
> > Forgive the ignorance, but what's pb?
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 06:11, Beard, Bruce D.
> > <bruce_d_beard@... <mailto:bruce_d_beard%40mcpsmd.org>> wrote:
> > > Partly from observatins today and partly word of mouth. I think
> > they had 27 people at MidSumCon:
> > >
> > > A mix of PBers and 18XXers.
> > >
> > > The had 3 tables of 18xx AND TWO OF pb GOING MOST OF TODAY.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Puffing Billy includes 18XX too....

--- In 18xx@yahoogroups.com, "Beard, Bruce D." <bruce_d_beard@...> wrote:
>
> Yes.  Puffing Billy.  Crayon games, Silverton, UP, TranAmerica, Ticket to
Ride, etc.
>
> -Bruce
> ________________________________
> From: 18xx@yahoogroups.com [18xx@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Schroeder [hzark10@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 6:43 AM
> To: 18xx@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [18xx] Re: MidSumCon
>
>
>
> Puffing Billy??
>
> Robert Schroeder
>
> --- In 18xx@yahoogroups.com<mailto:18xx%40yahoogroups.com>, Björn Westling
<bwestling@> wrote:
> >
> > The first thing that springs to mind is Pax Britannica...
> >
> >
> > Edward S. Rustin skrev:
> > >
> > >
> > > Forgive the ignorance, but what's pb?
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 06:11, Beard, Bruce D.
> > > <bruce_d_beard@ <mailto:bruce_d_beard%40mcpsmd.org>> wrote:
> > > > Partly from observatins today and partly word of mouth. I think
> > > they had 27 people at MidSumCon:
> > > >
> > > > A mix of PBers and 18XXers.
> > > >
> > > > The had 3 tables of 18xx AND TWO OF pb GOING MOST OF TODAY.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

I'm pretty sure when Bruce says "Puffing Billy" he means "Puffing Billy
games that aren't 18xx."  Here's a list of Puffing Billy categories:

http://www.traingamers.com/PBT%20Categories%202011.pdf

18xx used to be split into two categories, but now it's all lumped together
in one.

--
Chris

Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.


On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:56 AM, d_mitton <dave@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Puffing Billy includes 18XX too....
>
> --- In 18xx@yahoogroups.com, "Beard, Bruce D." <bruce_d_beard@...> wrote:
> >
> > Yes. Puffing Billy. Crayon games, Silverton, UP, TranAmerica, Ticket to
> Ride, etc.
> >
> > -Bruce
> > ________________________________
> > From: 18xx@yahoogroups.com [18xx@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert
> Schroeder [hzark10@...]
>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 6:43 AM
> > To: 18xx@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [18xx] Re: MidSumCon
> >
> >
> >
> > Puffing Billy??
> >
> > Robert Schroeder
> >
> > --- In 18xx@yahoogroups.com<mailto:18xx%40yahoogroups.com>, Björn
> Westling <bwestling@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The first thing that springs to mind is Pax Britannica...
> > >
> > >
> > > Edward S. Rustin skrev:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Forgive the ignorance, but what's pb?
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 06:11, Beard, Bruce D.
> > > > <bruce_d_beard@ <mailto:bruce_d_beard%40mcpsmd.org>> wrote:
> > > > > Partly from observatins today and partly word of mouth. I think
> > > > they had 27 people at MidSumCon:
> > > > >
> > > > > A mix of PBers and 18XXers.
> > > > >
> > > > > The had 3 tables of 18xx AND TWO OF pb GOING MOST OF TODAY.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In 18xx@yahoogroups.com, Kévin Civy <kevin.civy@...> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
> I'm looking for 18XX players in Paris or near Chelles (77, east surburb).
> I've got 1870 and a home version of 18AL and 18GA.
>
> --
> Kévin CIVY
> 0677706012
> kevin.civy@...
>

Hello.

in Paris, I don't know anybody playing on a regular basis. But in Namur and
Liège (Belgium), not too far from Paris, there are two bunches of 18xx players.
It is possible to organise from time to time an 18xx session at both clubs (ILV
in Namur, Objectif Jeux in Liège).

Moreover, in October, there is Objectif Jeux yearly game-con, IRV, in Liège,
where 18xx players are likely to attend, especially if we contact them and
organise à 18xx event. Previous editions hosted players from the kentish mob
(Peter, Jon, Barry, Stephen), David Hecht, Ale Lala, Michael Brünker,...

Hope this helps.

Fred

What is 18MI ?

--- On Wed, 3/8/11, Beard, Bruce D. <bruce_d_beard@...> wrote:


From: Beard, Bruce D. <bruce_d_beard@...>
Subject: RE: [18xx] Re: MidSumCon
To: "18xx@yahoogroups.com" <18xx@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, 3 August, 2011, 6:11


Partly from observatins today and partly word of mouth.  I think they had 27
people at MidSumCon:

A mix of PBers and 18XXers.

The had 3 tables of 18xx AND TWO OF pb GOING MOST OF TODAY.

1817 was played 7 times
1865
18MI
1870
1830
1861
1846
1826
NAC
1880
ARD
18PA

all got played over the 4 days.

I played 4 games today.

-Bruce
________________________________
From: 18xx@yahoogroups.com [18xx@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred B. Campbell,
Jr. [fbcjr@...]
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 9:05 AM
To: 18xx@yahoogroups.com
Cc: 18xx@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [18xx] Re: MidSumCon



Several Crayon games have been played as well. India and Europe I think.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 1, 2011, at 6:55 AM, "Beard, Bruce D."
<bruce_d_beard@...<mailto:bruce_d_beard%40mcpsmd.org>> wrote:

> Bob,
>
> I am flying to Chicago at 6am Tuesday and will attend the last day of
MidSumCon. A friend of mine reports:
>
> -4-5 tables of going at a time (not sure if this is all 18XX or if he is
including crayon games and such
>
> -1870 is the most played game
>
> -1858(Spain), 1880 (China), 1817, NAC, EU, 61 & 65 (Sardinia) all have been
played
>
> -Bruce
> ________________________________
> From: 18xx@yahoogroups.com<mailto:18xx%40yahoogroups.com>
[18xx@yahoogroups.com<mailto:18xx%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Robert
Schroeder [hzark10@...<mailto:hzark10%40aol.com>]
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 6:34 AM
> To: 18xx@yahoogroups.com<mailto:18xx%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [18xx] Re: MidSumCon
>
>
>
> Yes,
>
> the pre-GenCon 18xx convention. I was wondering since we were getting reports
from WBC that someone there would post info as well.
>
> Bob S.
>
> --- In
18xx@yahoogroups.com<mailto:18xx%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:18xx%40yahoogroups.co\
m>, "thomas wall hannaford, jr." <twall1958@...> wrote:
>>
>> Robert, are you referring to MidSumCon? If so, we'll need Anthony Carver (and
other attendees) to file a report about this convention. -TWHJr
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Robert Schroeder <hzark10@...>
>> To:
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m>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:48 PM
>> Subject: [18xx] SummerCon
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>> Just curious,
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>> what has been played?
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18Michigan. It has some mild interest, but it has too much chrome (small
complicated rules that for the most part add little value) and lacks a
center of gravity.

It does have one truly excellent private company though.

"BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!" :-)

(Those familiar with the game will know of what I speak...)

On 8/3/2011 2:57 PM, Ian D Wilson wrote:
> What is 18MI ?
>
> --- On Wed, 3/8/11, Beard, Bruce D.<bruce_d_beard@...>  wrote:
>
>
> From: Beard, Bruce D.<bruce_d_beard@...>
> Subject: RE: [18xx] Re: MidSumCon
> To: "18xx@yahoogroups.com"<18xx@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, 3 August, 2011, 6:11
>
>
> Partly from observatins today and partly word of mouth.  I think they had 27
people at MidSumCon:
>
> A mix of PBers and 18XXers.
>
> The had 3 tables of 18xx AND TWO OF pb GOING MOST OF TODAY.
>
> 1817 was played 7 times
> 1865
> 18MI
> 1870
> 1830
> 1861
> 1846
> 1826
> NAC
> 1880
> ARD
> 18PA
>
> all got played over the 4 days.
>
> I played 4 games today.
>
> -Bruce
> ________________________________
> From: 18xx@yahoogroups.com [18xx@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred B.
Campbell, Jr. [fbcjr@...]
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 9:05 AM
> To: 18xx@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: 18xx@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [18xx] Re: MidSumCon
>
>
>
> Several Crayon games have been played as well. India and Europe I think.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 1, 2011, at 6:55 AM, "Beard, Bruce
D."<bruce_d_beard@...<mailto:bruce_d_beard%40mcpsmd.org>>  wrote:
>
>> Bob,
>>
>> I am flying to Chicago at 6am Tuesday and will attend the last day of
MidSumCon. A friend of mine reports:
>>
>> -4-5 tables of going at a time (not sure if this is all 18XX or if he is
including crayon games and such
>>
>> -1870 is the most played game
>>
>> -1858(Spain), 1880 (China), 1817, NAC, EU, 61&  65 (Sardinia) all have been
played
>>
>> -Bruce
>> ________________________________
>> From: 18xx@yahoogroups.com<mailto:18xx%40yahoogroups.com> 
[18xx@yahoogroups.com<mailto:18xx%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Robert
Schroeder [hzark10@...<mailto:hzark10%40aol.com>]
>> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 6:34 AM
>> To: 18xx@yahoogroups.com<mailto:18xx%40yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: [18xx] Re: MidSumCon
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>>
>>
>> Yes,
>>
>> the pre-GenCon 18xx convention. I was wondering since we were getting reports
from WBC that someone there would post info as well.
>>
>> Bob S.
>>
>> --- In
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m>, "thomas wall hannaford, jr."<twall1958@...>  wrote:
>>> Robert, are you referring to MidSumCon? If so, we'll need Anthony Carver
(and other attendees) to file a report about this convention. -TWHJr
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Robert Schroeder<hzark10@...>
>>> To:
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m>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:48 PM
>>> Subject: [18xx] SummerCon
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On 30/07/2011 17:43, John Desmond wrote:
> Salutations, gentlefolk !
>
> A seminary professor called up the computer support tech, said
> "I'm having a problem. This morning, I printed out the syllabus for
> my course on the Synoptic Gospels, and it came out fine. This
> afternoon, I tried printing out the syllabus for my course on Postmodern
> Hermeneutics, and all I got was gibberish. Can you give me a hand here?"
>
> The tech came up, looked around, said
> "Well, what do you expect from a Canon printer?"

Not only no railway content, barely any "canon" content.  This joke is
much funnier without the punchline.

Nick
--
Nick Wedd
nick@...

--- Ian D Wilson <ianwilson156@...> wrote:
>
> What is 18MI ?
>
18MissionImpossible.  When placing track/stations, players must hang from the
ceiling on a bungy rope. Wherever it lands, it stays.

20 games played

5 1830
2 teaching 1830
2 1870
2 1861
2 1846
2 EU
35
56
GL
2 pickup games of 1880 the night before

-Bruce

When a company receives its second tranche of capital, does it receive 5 times
its par price or 5 times its current share price?  The rules use the phrase
"second half" of its money, which suggests that the par price is used, but I
don't think they state this explicitly.

Dave.

Hi, the company receives the second half of its operating capital. The amount is
based on the par price. It has not been explicitly stated. But the general rule
besides most if not all 18xx games is that the operating capital is based upon
IPO-/par price and doesnt change with the stock market movements.

Regards
Martin

I can't point you to a specific rules section, as my copy isn't to hand,
but we've been playing par.

It has to be said that life would be a lot easier if it were market...

On 8/5/2011 5:19 AM, daveberry33 wrote:
> When a company receives its second tranche of capital, does it receive 5 times
its par price or 5 times its current share price?  The rules use the phrase
"second half" of its money, which suggests that the par price is used, but I
don't think they state this explicitly.
>
> Dave.
>
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As I gear up for getting 18EA into production, I'd like some feedback on the
issue of how to deal with 20 companies.
First some basics:
Of the 20 teams only 16 will typically be used in a game, and thus far it seems
only 10-13 will actually be used in most games.
The name/position of the teams is important (I can't just have generic
companies).
Each team needs 11 tokens, one of which needs to be "double sized" as the home
base token:
1 home base, 1 for the par chart, 1 for the stockmarket, 1 for the revenue chart
+ 7 additional station markers.
The issue is that this is a LOT of wood. 11 * 20 = 220 tokens, and I've been
asked whether I can reduce this number.
The reason each company has a max of 8 station markers (including home) is to
cope with mergers. Typically a newly-started company will have 2-4 station
markers, and will acquire more through merging.
It is also easier from a game-playing POV to have it this way so it's easy to
identify which markers belong to which area.
However, I am considering one or more of the following:

* Generic station markers, of which there could be 8 sets of 11 and 8 of 7,
giving a total of 72. A huge saving, but these will actually need one additional
dobber or card linking the company with the dobber symbols. So we'll need an
extra 16 giving us a grand total of 88. If we wanted to cover all 20 companies
we could add another 4 loads of 7 tokens for 116 tokens total.
* Each company has its own stock of 3 station markers (6 tokens per co), but
there are 6 (could be up to 8) "system" companies which are used for mergers etc
with 11 each. Total markers = (20 * 6) + (6 * 11) = 188 markers. Not a lot of
saving really.
* each company has a stock of 3 station markers (6 tokens per co), but there are
additional "extra" markers with generic symbols on them which can be used if a
company ever needs more than 3 station markers. This way we could have (say) 20
* 6 for the companies and 8 lots of 5 extra tokens. Total tokens = 120 + 40 =
160.
My main concern with the above ideas is whether the saving in production
material is worth any game-play confusion or inconvenience. Does anyone have any
thoughts on this?
 
Mike.


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For most 18xx games with a "par" price, new shares are bought at the par price
and this determines the company's starting capital, as Martin says.

There are some 18XX games, using incremental capitalisation, in which new shares
are bought at the current share price and the company receives this money.  So
companies are capitalised based on the current share price.

In 1880, all shares cost the current share price.  There is no "par" price as
such, just a record of the initial share price.

It isn't clear to me whether the capitalisation in 1880 follows the first
approach (based on the initial share price) or the second (based on the current
share price).

I hope this explains the uncertainty that led to my question.

Dave.

--- In 18xx@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Martin Brumm" <dr.martin.brumm@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, the company receives the second half of its operating capital. The amount
is based on the par price. It has not been explicitly stated. But the general
rule besides most if not all 18xx games is that the operating capital is based
upon IPO-/par price and doesnt change with the stock market movements.
>
> Regards
> Martin
>

Eh? "8 sets of 11 and 8 of 7, giving a total of 72"?  I make that a total of
144.

Dave.

--- In 18xx@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hutton <huttm@...> wrote:
>
> As I gear up for getting 18EA into production, I'd like some feedback on the
issue of how to deal with 20 companies.
> First some basics:
> Of the 20 teams only 16 will typically be used in a game, and thus far it
seems only 10-13 will actually be used in most games.
> The name/position of the teams is important (I can't just have generic
companies).
> Each team needs 11 tokens, one of which needs to be "double sized" as the home
base token:
> 1 home base, 1 for the par chart, 1 for the stockmarket, 1 for the revenue
chart + 7 additional station markers.
> The issue is that this is a LOT of wood. 11 * 20 = 220 tokens, and I've been
asked whether I can reduce this number.
> The reason each company has a max of 8 station markers (including home) is to
cope with mergers. Typically a newly-started company will have 2-4 station
markers, and will acquire more through merging.
> It is also easier from a game-playing POV to have it this way so it's easy to
identify which markers belong to which area.
> However, I am considering one or more of the following:
>
> * Generic station markers, of which there could be 8 sets of 11 and 8 of 7,
giving a total of 72. A huge saving, but these will actually need one additional
dobber or card linking the company with the dobber symbols. So we'll need an
extra 16 giving us a grand total of 88. If we wanted to cover all 20 companies
we could add another 4 loads of 7 tokens for 116 tokens total.
> * Each company has its own stock of 3 station markers (6 tokens per co), but
there are 6 (could be up to 8) "system" companies which are used for mergers etc
with 11 each. Total markers = (20 * 6) + (6 * 11) = 188 markers. Not a lot of
saving really.
> * each company has a stock of 3 station markers (6 tokens per co), but there
are additional "extra" markers with generic symbols on them which can be used if
a company ever needs more than 3 station markers. This way we could have (say)
20 * 6 for the companies and 8 lots of 5 extra tokens. Total tokens = 120 + 40 =
160.
> My main concern with the above ideas is whether the saving in production
material is worth any game-play confusion or inconvenience. Does anyone have any
thoughts on this?
>  
> Mike.
>
>
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>

How about moving to plastic or other material instead of wood?
Or using "caps or hats" on top of generic wooden tokens.
Alternatively velcro tops.

Another idea would be to have tokens with one company logo on the top and a
different one on the bottom.

Carlos

On 5 August 2011 13:36, Mike Hutton <huttm@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> As I gear up for getting 18EA into production, I'd like some feedback on
> the issue of how to deal with 20 companies.
> First some basics:
> Of the 20 teams only 16 will typically be used in a game, and thus far it
> seems only 10-13 will actually be used in most games.
> The name/position of the teams is important (I can't just have generic
> companies).
> Each team needs 11 tokens, one of which needs to be "double sized" as the
> home base token:
> 1 home base, 1 for the par chart, 1 for the stockmarket, 1 for the revenue
> chart + 7 additional station markers.
> The issue is that this is a LOT of wood. 11 * 20 = 220 tokens, and I've
> been asked whether I can reduce this number.
> The reason each company has a max of 8 station markers (including home) is
> to cope with mergers. Typically a newly-started company will have 2-4
> station markers, and will acquire more through merging.
> It is also easier from a game-playing POV to have it this way so it's easy
> to identify which markers belong to which area.
> However, I am considering one or more of the following:
>
> * Generic station markers, of which there could be 8 sets of 11 and 8 of 7,
> giving a total of 72. A huge saving, but these will actually need one
> additional dobber or card linking the company with the dobber symbols. So
> we'll need an extra 16 giving us a grand total of 88. If we wanted to cover
> all 20 companies we could add another 4 loads of 7 tokens for 116 tokens
> total.
> * Each company has its own stock of 3 station markers (6 tokens per co),
> but there are 6 (could be up to 8) "system" companies which are used for
> mergers etc with 11 each. Total markers = (20 * 6) + (6 * 11) = 188 markers.
> Not a lot of saving really.
> * each company has a stock of 3 station markers (6 tokens per co), but
> there are additional "extra" markers with generic symbols on them which can
> be used if a company ever needs more than 3 station markers. This way we
> could have (say) 20 * 6 for the companies and 8 lots of 5 extra tokens.
> Total tokens = 120 + 40 = 160.
> My main concern with the above ideas is whether the saving in production
> material is worth any game-play confusion or inconvenience. Does anyone have
> any thoughts on this?
>
> Mike.
>
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