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Re: [18xx] Re: 1844 - the suboptimal run optional rule

It's the same sort of "strange monkey business" that has just consumed an
endless time discussing it in 1835: the 1844 equivalent of building BY in a big
circle.

If someone other than the FNM President has two or more shares after the ISR,
the President builds a #5 tile going back to Italy. He then buys 4 x 2h trains,
leaving the forthcoming FNM president with no legal route and no way of
obtaining one short of either (1) buying across with another company, or (2) the
green phase.

Shucks, even in the absence of the dump option, one can take advantage of a
loophole in the rules as written: by buying a 2h-train rather than a 2-train,
you give the private company (P6) another day of life, paying $30 instead of the
$20 you would otherwise get if you built more normally. Of course the company's
price falls an extra square, but hey, that's tomorrow's problem...

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Shaffer
To: 18xx@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: [18xx] Re: 1844 - the suboptimal run optional rule


> 2. That the FNM has to buy at least one 2, not 2H, on its first turn
> to stop any strange monkey business. The FNM can buy more trains if
> it wants.

What strange monkey business are you preventing? As best I can tell,
you're just forcing the FNM to spend 20 more on a train. That said, I
can't imagine why the FNM president wouldn't want a 2 train, unless
someone else was foolish enough to buy 2 shares on the first stock
round.

Chris




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Does anyone have the actual text of this rule? We are having a discussion, because someone did the FNM dump trick but created the Mountain in Monte Generoso,...
Bill Jaffe
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if i recall, that's not true. you MUST run the company's trains for their optimal revenue regardless of what actions are involved. to be sure, is this 1844? ...
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... You can get the complete rules here: http://www.ohley.de/english/1844_Rules_14-01-04.pdf "The revenue claimed must be the highest total revenue that any...
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I’m asking about the OPTIONAL rule, not the base rules. I am fully aware that the BASE rules require max value runs. Bill Jaffe bigbillthecollector@......
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... As Chris Shaffer pointed out, there is only one optional rule in 1844: Elephant priority. Maybe you're talking about a variant created by someone other...
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OK, here's the thing: as with so many other products of germanophone origin, the 1844 rules translation in the initial kit was not altogether a model of...
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The only 1844 optional rule of which I am aware is the Elephant priority, which appears at the end of the rulebook. -- Chris Please consider the environment...
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understood david, and thanks for the clairification. as i have two translated versions of 1844 in which one is formatted in such a way to form a booklet. ...
allen
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When I have played 1844 recently, I have suggested three different tweaks to the game: 1. Allow suboptimal runs to activate mountains and tunnels. (This is ...
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... What strange monkey business are you preventing? As best I can tell, you're just forcing the FNM to spend 20 more on a train. That said, I can't imagine...
Chris Shaffer
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It's the same sort of "strange monkey business" that has just consumed an endless time discussing it in 1835: the 1844 equivalent of building BY in a big...
David G.D. Hecht
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Ah, I see. I guess the reason I didn't think of it is because I've never seen anyone buy two shares of FNM. If nothing else, why wouldn't you wait until SR2,...
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<shrug> FNM can be a pretty good company. I've seen plenty of games where the guy who owned it cruised to victory: I've even been that guy a couple of times...
David G.D. Hecht
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I didn't mean nobody owned it, I meant there wasn't a second investor until SR2. Thus, there shouldn't be anyone vulnerable to the dump you described. -- ...
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... The way I have seen this happen (twice) is that the FNM private owner bought other privates/shares and can't defend FNM. Someone else takes it over yet...
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